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« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2014, 08:51:40 PM »

Considering the huge number of undecideds, as well as the polls being everywhere throughout this cycle, it's still a dead heat. Which is sad, because Quinn has a spectacular record of failure and Rauner isn't anything like the caricature Team Quinn has painted him as.

Hopefully Rauner can still pull it off, but this may be one of the last races called after the polls close.
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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2014, 09:55:39 PM »

Good to see the heartless businessman getting shown the door.
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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2014, 10:05:16 PM »

I'll take it if it means we can actually have a victory in 2018 after four more years of this catastrophe, and force a neutral (or compromise) congressional redistricting map.
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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2014, 10:25:50 PM »

I'll take it if it means we can actually have a victory in 2018 after four more years of this catastrophe, and force a neutral (or compromise) congressional redistricting map.

You'll have to wrest the governor's mansion from Pat Quinn's cold, dead hands.
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« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2014, 10:31:26 PM »

I'll take it if it means we can actually have a victory in 2018 after four more years of this catastrophe, and force a neutral (or compromise) congressional redistricting map.

You'll have to wrest the governor's mansion from Pat Quinn's cold, dead hands.

I'm hopeful some weaker Democrat can do it for us in the primary.
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« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2014, 10:54:19 PM »

I'll take it if it means we can actually have a victory in 2018 after four more years of this catastrophe, and force a neutral (or compromise) congressional redistricting map.

You'll have to wrest the governor's mansion from Pat Quinn's cold, dead hands.

I'm hopeful some weaker Democrat can do it for us in the primary.
Or Quinn could just retire...
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« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2014, 11:05:35 PM »

This is Illinois if quinn is ever leaving office it will be in handcuffs.
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« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2014, 06:50:08 AM »

This is Illinois if quinn is ever leaving office it will be in handcuffs.

Or he gets primaried. 
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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2014, 07:05:46 AM »

In 2010, Quinn didn't lead in a single poll from the summer on.  Then, the large IL "coming home" effect was the difference.  This year, I wouldn't be surprised if he won the race going away at this point by >5 pts.
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« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2014, 07:36:19 AM »

It was the Ditka ad, wasn't it?
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« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2014, 07:40:01 AM »

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« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2014, 09:24:04 AM »


That is literally the worst ad I've seen all cycle, and it made him seem like a snake (I mean, we can give in to special interests, right?) who needed Ditka to set him straight.
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« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2014, 10:27:59 AM »
« Edited: October 01, 2014, 11:28:43 AM by Mr. Illini »

The only thing better than seeing Rauner going down in flames is reading the out-of-state Republican whining on here.

Quinn isn't going to win this; Rauner is going to lose this. It's not a "mistake" or a "blunder" by the people of Illinois. They know what they want, and it isn't lower taxes on the rich, a lower minimum wage, gutted school funding, attacks on collective bargaining, or attacks on social programs.

They, myself included, will take the status quo over that nonsense.

The only reason he was leading at all was protest.
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« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2014, 11:56:38 AM »

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« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2014, 12:06:21 PM »

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« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2014, 12:41:23 PM »

The only thing better than seeing Rauner going down in flames is reading the out-of-state Republican whining on here.

Quinn isn't going to win this; Rauner is going to lose this. It's not a "mistake" or a "blunder" by the people of Illinois. They know what they want, and it isn't lower taxes on the rich, a lower minimum wage, gutted school funding, attacks on collective bargaining, or attacks on social programs.

They, myself included, will take the status quo over that nonsense.

The only reason he was leading at all was protest.

Thank you oh gracious voice of Illinois Roll Eyes
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« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2014, 01:53:31 PM »

The only thing better than seeing Rauner going down in flames is reading the out-of-state Republican whining on here.

Quinn isn't going to win this; Rauner is going to lose this. It's not a "mistake" or a "blunder" by the people of Illinois. They know what they want, and it isn't lower taxes on the rich, a lower minimum wage, gutted school funding, attacks on collective bargaining, or attacks on social programs.

They, myself included, will take the status quo over that nonsense.

The only reason he was leading at all was protest.

Thank you oh gracious voice of Illinois Roll Eyes

They've spoken loudly through their voting for the last several decades. I'm just pointing out no one should really give a s**t about how bad someone from Oklahoma or New Mexico or anywhere else feels for what the people of Illinois have done to themselves.
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« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2014, 02:01:46 PM »

If Illinois is so stupid to elect Quinn again, I have no sympathy for them. In other hyper partisan states (think Tennessee, Kansas, Massachusetts), they at least try the other party's way of doing things when a governor/governor candidate from their preferred party sucks. In Illinois, there are a majority of single issue voters who vote for only the D next to the name, provided the last name of the candidate isn't Giannoulias.
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« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2014, 02:05:18 PM »
« Edited: October 01, 2014, 02:38:54 PM by ℒief »

People in Illinois just need to look to neighboring states to see what Republican "governance" leads to. They don't want their schools to be underfunded, their rich to be given massive tax cuts, their abortion rights to be taken away, their poor and young to be disenfranchised, their medicaid taken away, or their unions to be destroyed.
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« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2014, 02:32:53 PM »
« Edited: October 01, 2014, 03:12:37 PM by Clarko95 »

Quinn isn't going to win this; Rauner is going to lose this. It's not a "mistake" or a "blunder" by the people of Illinois. They know what they want, and it isn't lower taxes on the rich, a lower minimum wage, gutted school funding, attacks on collective bargaining, or attacks on social programs.
So if protecting education funding, unions, and social programs are so important, why would they vote for Quinn??

And to stick it to the rich, you support raising taxes on everyone during bad economic times?
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« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2014, 03:31:06 PM »

Quinn isn't going to win this; Rauner is going to lose this. It's not a "mistake" or a "blunder" by the people of Illinois. They know what they want, and it isn't lower taxes on the rich, a lower minimum wage, gutted school funding, attacks on collective bargaining, or attacks on social programs.
So if protecting education funding, unions, and social programs are so important, why would they vote for Quinn??

And to stick it to the rich, you support raising taxes on everyone during bad economic times?

I don't really know what you're talking about. Quinn has been very strongly in support of education and social program funding. He signed pension reform that was far more moderate than what Rauner favors.

And no, I support extending the tax increase on everyone and adding the 3% surcharge to millionaires that has been proposed. Our taxes here in Illinois, despite RNC's narrative, are actually below what surrounding states charge, especially on the wealthy, as we have no progressive income tax.
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« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2014, 04:18:10 PM »

Quinn isn't going to win this; Rauner is going to lose this. It's not a "mistake" or a "blunder" by the people of Illinois. They know what they want, and it isn't lower taxes on the rich, a lower minimum wage, gutted school funding, attacks on collective bargaining, or attacks on social programs.
So if protecting education funding, unions, and social programs are so important, why would they vote for Quinn??

And to stick it to the rich, you support raising taxes on everyone during bad economic times?

I don't really know what you're talking about. Quinn has been very strongly in support of education and social program funding. He signed pension reform that was far more moderate than what Rauner favors.

You do know that Quinn cut education spending by $600 million and child welfare spending by $85 million, right? And that he's closed 57 state facilities, including halfway houses, mental health centers, and disability centers? And that he wants to take inmates from partially-empty prisons and send them to already-overcrowded ones (instead of vice-versa?)? And that he approved budgets (such as the 2012 & 2013 budgets) that cut spending for infrastructure and environmental projects to cover the budget deficits? Rauner wants to increase education spending by $6 billion over the next few years, and restore spending on infrastructure and environmental programs.

And the pension reform being "moderate" is the problem. The liability was $83 billion in 2011 and is now $100 billion. It keeps growing and growing. The 2011 hike was specifically meant to take care of it, but it didn't. Though I don't like what Walker or Kasich did to unions, this is one case where the public sector unions are going to have to take some cuts. All Rauner really has proposed was letting workers keep what they've earned and moving everyone else to 401(k)s.

And either way, Quinn froze pay for low-level workers while higher-ups kept taking their big salaries, not to mention the patronage thing going on right now. Quinn may say he supports education/social programs and Rauner is an evil rich dude, but Quinn actually has a record that the D avatars on here would blast a Republican for actually doing. Even the unions give Quinn crap for freezing their salaries and making tiny cuts to the pensions.

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Why the hell would you support raising taxes on everyone? That's hundreds, if not thousands of dollars more you're taking out of the paychecks of everyone (including poor, working class, and middle class people) to fund soaring pensions for a few. If you want a progressive tax system, that's cool, I support that, but I don't get why you would want to make life even more expensive for people who would feel the most pain just because like 2 states around you have somewhat higher tax burdens. It doesn't make the tax code much more progressive at all. The rich will still be rich after the hike with their McMansions, Gold Coast flats, and BMWs, but for regular people who make less than $100K a year you've just taken more money out of their hands to throw at the pensions.

Quinn says he's fiscally responsible and wants "serious reform", only to deliver half-baked reforms that don't accomplish anything other than cutting needed programs to protect his dear unions. Rauner at least would have a Dem legislature to check him (and vice versa), so it's not like he can Walker the state. Yeah, Rauner needs to be more specific, but I don't see why the Forum Democrats are so blindly defending Quinn after being such a horrific Governor.
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« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2014, 04:36:18 PM »


This couldn't be farther from the truth; Blago cut Quinn out of his administration totally. The two were never fond of each other.
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« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2014, 07:27:05 PM »

Quinn isn't going to win this; Rauner is going to lose this. It's not a "mistake" or a "blunder" by the people of Illinois. They know what they want, and it isn't lower taxes on the rich, a lower minimum wage, gutted school funding, attacks on collective bargaining, or attacks on social programs.
So if protecting education funding, unions, and social programs are so important, why would they vote for Quinn??

And to stick it to the rich, you support raising taxes on everyone during bad economic times?

I don't really know what you're talking about. Quinn has been very strongly in support of education and social program funding. He signed pension reform that was far more moderate than what Rauner favors.

You do know that Quinn cut education spending by $600 million and child welfare spending by $85 million, right? And that he's closed 57 state facilities, including halfway houses, mental health centers, and disability centers? And that he wants to take inmates from partially-empty prisons and send them to already-overcrowded ones (instead of vice-versa?)? And that he approved budgets (such as the 2012 & 2013 budgets) that cut spending for infrastructure and environmental projects to cover the budget deficits? Rauner wants to increase education spending by $6 billion over the next few years, and restore spending on infrastructure and environmental programs.

And the pension reform being "moderate" is the problem. The liability was $83 billion in 2011 and is now $100 billion. It keeps growing and growing. The 2011 hike was specifically meant to take care of it, but it didn't. Though I don't like what Walker or Kasich did to unions, this is one case where the public sector unions are going to have to take some cuts. All Rauner really has proposed was letting workers keep what they've earned and moving everyone else to 401(k)s.

And either way, Quinn froze pay for low-level workers while higher-ups kept taking their big salaries, not to mention the patronage thing going on right now. Quinn may say he supports education/social programs and Rauner is an evil rich dude, but Quinn actually has a record that the D avatars on here would blast a Republican for actually doing. Even the unions give Quinn crap for freezing their salaries and making tiny cuts to the pensions.

How big of a budget gap do you want Illinois to have? Quinn's cuts were modest proposals to reduce the deficits we are running. Then you also oppose the tax increase? Where is all this money coming from? Rauner's pleas to increase spending are pure ploys for votes from Democrats. His education funding would be misallocated in favor of alternatives to public education and coupled with his conservative tax policies would wreak havoc on the budget.

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Empty rhetoric is empty. All we would be doing is bringing up the tax burden to about what is typical for the Midwest in order to close to budget gap. Bringing up the flat rate and surcharging the rich's rate would make for a fairer and more soluble system.
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« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2014, 08:15:36 PM »

Always good to see Republicans losing.
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