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« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2014, 01:15:33 AM »

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of San Jose, Los Angeles, San Diego and Denver. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Chicago, New Orleans, New York and Philadelphia.

Whether the white elite live in McMansions in far-lung suburbs or in expensive condominiums in the inner-city, they are dependent on the labor of Latino, Asian or Caribbean immigrants and would have no cultural materials without the tremendous influence of African-Americans on the heart and soul of America. Blacks, Latinos and Asians almost uniformly vote for Democrats because they see the injustice of a system that is dependent on them but uses and abuses them in every aspect of life. Their voting patterns are not an indication of anti-white racism but rather an indication that people of color wish to eradicate racism.

No, that's what silly white people tell themselves. Russel Simmons explained it once upon a time, when he was talking about the difference in rebel subcultures within white and minority demographics. He said white people fight to get out, and minorities fight to get in.

Capitalist conservative WASPs are viewed as the cultural hegemons. Liberals are fighting to get out from under (what they believe to be) oppressive economic policy and extraneous social decorum. Minorities, on the other hand, are not fighting to have a different flavor of middle-class or upper-middle class existence. According to Simmons, they are fighting to get a piece of the existing, established American Dream. Why do you think "spread the wealth around" was so intoxicating, and Obamacare was so lukewarm?

Liberals and minorities have virtually nothing in common beyond mutual distrust of conservative WASPs. Democrats are aware of the situation, and they never let a good race crisis go to waste.
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« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2014, 01:19:24 AM »

LiberalsThe corporate elite and minoritiessocial conservatives have virtually nothing in common beyond mutual distrust of conservative WASPsanyone not severely conservative. Democrats are aware of the situation, and they never let a good race crisisbashing of "liberal elites" go to waste.

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« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2014, 02:30:51 AM »

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of San Jose, Los Angeles, San Diego and Denver. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Chicago, New Orleans, New York and Philadelphia.

Whether the white elite live in McMansions in far-lung suburbs or in expensive condominiums in the inner-city, they are dependent on the labor of Latino, Asian or Caribbean immigrants and would have no cultural materials without the tremendous influence of African-Americans on the heart and soul of America. Blacks, Latinos and Asians almost uniformly vote for Democrats because they see the injustice of a system that is dependent on them but uses and abuses them in every aspect of life. Their voting patterns are not an indication of anti-white racism but rather an indication that people of color wish to eradicate racism.

No, that's what silly white people tell themselves. Russel Simmons explained it once upon a time, when he was talking about the difference in rebel subcultures within white and minority demographics. He said white people fight to get out, and minorities fight to get in.

Capitalist conservative WASPs are viewed as the cultural hegemons. Liberals are fighting to get out from under (what they believe to be) oppressive economic policy and extraneous social decorum. Minorities, on the other hand, are not fighting to have a different flavor of middle-class or upper-middle class existence. According to Simmons, they are fighting to get a piece of the existing, established American Dream. Why do you think "spread the wealth around" was so intoxicating, and Obamacare was so lukewarm?

Liberals and minorities have virtually nothing in common beyond mutual distrust of conservative WASPs. Democrats are aware of the situation, and they never let a good race crisis go to waste.

I am Mexican-American, guero.

I'm not responding to your post because it is gibberish.
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« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2014, 08:52:27 AM »

I am Mexican-American, guero.

I'm not responding to your post because it is gibberish.

I didn't say "you" specifically in my post because assumed you were probably Mexican-American. What Russell Simmons said is reflected in polling data about social issues, and some economic issues. It seems empirically correct to me, as well.
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« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2014, 09:14:46 PM »

I am Mexican-American, guero.

I'm not responding to your post because it is gibberish.

I didn't say "you" specifically in my post because assumed you were probably Mexican-American. What Russell Simmons said is reflected in polling data about social issues, and some economic issues. It seems empirically correct to me, as well.

But how Russell Simmons is qualified for sociological analysis?
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« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2014, 09:34:18 PM »

You say that, but you and others on the Right have repeatedly claimed that black people and other minority groups are "brainwashed" into "government dependency" by Democrats. Not only is that not true, but it's really insulting to non-white voters.

It is clearly true, and your denial of the patently obvious preserves lingering racial tensions in the United States. Apparently, you believe that minorities are a single-minded demographic who all adhere to the same political philosophy? That's not racist at all.

Next you'll be telling us that Republicans do not exploit evangelicals.

What the hell are you even talking about? Do you think all minorities should be painted with the brush of being dependent on the government? If you answered yes to that question, then you should also be able to answer why most minorities, regardless of income, throw up a middle finger to the Republican party.
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« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2014, 09:36:34 PM »

There's nothing racist about saying blacks and Latinos vote Democrat. The way you say it is 100% racist, but that's because you're a racist who sees everything through a racist lens.

White urban voters vote the same as black and Hispanic urban voters. The only difference is most whites are suburban/rural while most blacks and hispanics are urban.

Urbanites see the benefits of the government first hand with public transportation, public schools, public libraries, etc. Urban culture is generally aligned with Democratic Party policy.

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of South Texas, West Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Southern Colorado, and the Inland Empire. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina.

How can you be from New Mexico, and know so little about minority demography?

OMG, you managed to post an even dumber post in this thread. Kudos, brother, kudos.
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« Reply #57 on: October 14, 2014, 09:45:02 PM »

There's nothing racist about saying blacks and Latinos vote Democrat. The way you say it is 100% racist, but that's because you're a racist who sees everything through a racist lens.

White urban voters vote the same as black and Hispanic urban voters. The only difference is most whites are suburban/rural while most blacks and hispanics are urban.

Urbanites see the benefits of the government first hand with public transportation, public schools, public libraries, etc. Urban culture is generally aligned with Democratic Party policy.

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of South Texas, West Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Southern Colorado, and the Inland Empire. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina.

How can you be from New Mexico, and know so little about minority demography?

OMG, you managed to post an even dumber post in this thread. Kudos, brother, kudos.

What is so dumb there?   It isn't true that racial differences in voting can be accounted for by the urban/rural divide.
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« Reply #58 on: October 14, 2014, 09:47:25 PM »

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of San Jose, Los Angeles, San Diego and Denver. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Chicago, New Orleans, New York and Philadelphia.

Whether the white elite live in McMansions in far-lung suburbs or in expensive condominiums in the inner-city, they are dependent on the labor of Latino, Asian or Caribbean immigrants and would have no cultural materials without the tremendous influence of African-Americans on the heart and soul of America. Blacks, Latinos and Asians almost uniformly vote for Democrats because they see the injustice of a system that is dependent on them but uses and abuses them in every aspect of life. Their voting patterns are not an indication of anti-white racism but rather an indication that people of color wish to eradicate racism.

No, that's what silly white people tell themselves. Russel Simmons explained it once upon a time, when he was talking about the difference in rebel subcultures within white and minority demographics. He said white people fight to get out, and minorities fight to get in.

Capitalist conservative WASPs are viewed as the cultural hegemons. Liberals are fighting to get out from under (what they believe to be) oppressive economic policy and extraneous social decorum. Minorities, on the other hand, are not fighting to have a different flavor of middle-class or upper-middle class existence. According to Simmons, they are fighting to get a piece of the existing, established American Dream. Why do you think "spread the wealth around" was so intoxicating, and Obamacare was so lukewarm?

Liberals and minorities have virtually nothing in common beyond mutual distrust of conservative WASPs. Democrats are aware of the situation, and they never let a good race crisis go to waste.

It's as if the more you post in this thread, the dumber your posts get.
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« Reply #59 on: October 14, 2014, 10:02:06 PM »
« Edited: October 14, 2014, 10:06:08 PM by Sbane »

There's nothing racist about saying blacks and Latinos vote Democrat. The way you say it is 100% racist, but that's because you're a racist who sees everything through a racist lens.

White urban voters vote the same as black and Hispanic urban voters. The only difference is most whites are suburban/rural while most blacks and hispanics are urban.

Urbanites see the benefits of the government first hand with public transportation, public schools, public libraries, etc. Urban culture is generally aligned with Democratic Party policy.

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of South Texas, West Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Southern Colorado, and the Inland Empire. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina.

How can you be from New Mexico, and know so little about minority demography?

OMG, you managed to post an even dumber post in this thread. Kudos, brother, kudos.

What is so dumb there?   It isn't true that racial differences in voting can be accounted for by the urban/rural divide.

There is so much dumb there that I am not sure where to start. First of all, non-white people in Louisiana and Mississippi do not vote Republican. Can we at least agree on that? Like, seriously, we need to agree on that or just commit suicide because there would be no point to living otherwise.

Ok, now that we have gotten beyond the deep south (hopefully), we can start discussing Hispanic voting patterns. Rove figured out in 2004 how to get middle class Hispanics to vote for the Republican party. Subsequently, the Republican party went on a mission to figure out how to repel such votes. If you do not understand that, then you do not understand contemporary American politics. You may want to apologize for the Republican party due to your own personal biases, but you need to understand that going nativist repels Hispanic and Asian votes, even if those individuals own their own businesses making more than $500,000 a year. It is more important to an individual that their success be celebrated and appreciated than them having to pay 3% more in taxes. Does that make sense to you? I know you are not a racist, and you may have a hard time understanding this, but many of your Republican friends and family are. That is why minorities, especially those who are doing well economically, don't vote for you guys.

At this point you may be pissed, protesting vehemently that the Democrats are just as racist as Republicans. That is not how things are perceived though, and perception is reality. I will admit that some Republicans have gotten smart about this, but it remains to be seen how successful this is. The Republicans need to push a message of prosperity regardless of race, ethnicity, religion etc. If they are successful at this, they will be successful in the near future. If they are not, then they won't be, as well off minorities vote Democrat because the alternative is a hostile Republican party.

When are Republicans going to be able to spread that message? Do they even care enough to spread that message? Are the Republicans interested in being the party of white people or well off Americans? That is a question the Republicans themselves need to answer. Are they content with being a fascist party or do they want to maintain themselves as a conservative party? That is something for the Republican party to decide for themselves.
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« Reply #60 on: October 14, 2014, 10:06:07 PM »
« Edited: October 14, 2014, 10:15:48 PM by AggregateDemand »

What the hell are you even talking about? Do you think all minorities should be painted with the brush of being dependent on the government? If you answered yes to that question, then you should also be able to answer why most minorities, regardless of income, throw up a middle finger to the Republican party.

What are you talking about? I don't think you have a clue what's going on, besides your admission that people perceive Republicans as racist, which is a longstanding political narrative of the Democratic Party since they lost the South.

Emancipation, Civil Rights, Amnesty, and Bush's guest worker program. Which of those strikes you as most racist?
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« Reply #61 on: October 14, 2014, 10:16:31 PM »
« Edited: October 14, 2014, 10:22:19 PM by Sbane »

What the hell are you even talking about? Do you think all minorities should be painted with the brush of being dependent on the government? If you answered yes to that question, then you should also be able to answer why most minorities, regardless of income, throw up a middle finger to the Republican party.

What are you talking about? I don't think you have a clue what's going on.

And what exactly is your point? Be very specific because it is important.

As a minority whose parents make a lot of money and who will start making a lot of money soon, your points are extremely insulting to me. If you don't understand that, maybe you will start to understand why you are a Republican. If the Republican party wants to get the vote of minorities who aren't dependent on the government, they need to grow beyond racists like you.
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« Reply #62 on: October 14, 2014, 10:25:46 PM »

What the hell are you even talking about? Do you think all minorities should be painted with the brush of being dependent on the government? If you answered yes to that question, then you should also be able to answer why most minorities, regardless of income, throw up a middle finger to the Republican party.

Emancipation, Civil Rights, Amnesty, and Bush's guest worker program. Which of those strikes you as most racist?

The current Republican party can't claim emancipation or civil rights.

As for amnesty, what is the current Republican party's view on that? Hell, how do they view immigrants who fought for this damn country? Republicans don't want to let them stay in this country either. The current Republican party is a racist joke. Hispanics looked up to Reagan and Reagan helped them assimilate into this country. The current Republican party is full of a bunch of nativist assholes.
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« Reply #63 on: October 14, 2014, 10:54:36 PM »

And what exactly is your point? Be very specific because it is important.

As a minority whose parents make a lot of money and who will start making a lot of money soon, your points are extremely insulting to me. If you don't understand that, maybe you will start to understand why you are a Republican. If the Republican party wants to get the vote of minorities who aren't dependent on the government, they need to grow beyond racists like you.

Republicans already know they are perceived as racists, which is a longstanding political narrative manufactured by the Democratic Party since realignment.

Emancipation, Civil Rights, Amnesty, and Bush's guest worker program. Which of those strikes you as most racist? Maybe it was the African American employment rate during Bush's term that made him so awful. Maybe it's the inherent nativism of socialist entitlements and unions that make Democrats so charming.

Democrats openly mock political propriety because they believe in the notion of single-minded minority voters who give blanket endorsements to Democratic candidates. I reject this slight of minority voters, and I go searching for real answers. Russel Simmons said something about outsider culture that is reflected in the polling data, which makes his observations far more substantial than the inane political regurgitation I find on Atlas.

I'm not arguing that minority voters should support Republican candidates. I'm arguing that Democrats have no merit-based claim to the minority vote, despite insistence to the contrary.
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« Reply #64 on: October 14, 2014, 10:59:41 PM »

The current Republican party can't claim emancipation or civil rights.

As for amnesty, what is the current Republican party's view on that? Hell, how do they view immigrants who fought for this damn country? Republicans don't want to let them stay in this country either. The current Republican party is a racist joke. Hispanics looked up to Reagan and Reagan helped them assimilate into this country. The current Republican party is full of a bunch of nativist assholes.

This is the kind of thoughtless, inane yammering that undermines whatever point you are trying to make. In your mind, Republicans tack from progressive race policy to indecency, only to accidentally stumble upon progressive policy, while drafting a neo-segregation bill.

You're too far gone to be helped.
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« Reply #65 on: October 14, 2014, 11:06:20 PM »
« Edited: October 14, 2014, 11:09:07 PM by Sbane »

The current Republican party can't claim emancipation or civil rights.

As for amnesty, what is the current Republican party's view on that? Hell, how do they view immigrants who fought for this damn country? Republicans don't want to let them stay in this country either. The current Republican party is a racist joke. Hispanics looked up to Reagan and Reagan helped them assimilate into this country. The current Republican party is full of a bunch of nativist assholes.

This is the kind of thoughtless, inane yammering that undermines whatever point you are trying to make. In your mind, Republicans tack from progressive race policy to indecency, only to accidentally stumble upon progressive policy, while drafting a neo-segregation bill.

You're too far gone to be helped.

Am I too far gone to be helped? Guess what then, so are most minorities who make more than 100k. What is your plan to get around that? Nazi Germany? A final solution must sound nice to you, huh?
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« Reply #66 on: October 14, 2014, 11:10:04 PM »

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of San Jose, Los Angeles, San Diego and Denver. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Chicago, New Orleans, New York and Philadelphia.

Whether the white elite live in McMansions in far-lung suburbs or in expensive condominiums in the inner-city, they are dependent on the labor of Latino, Asian or Caribbean immigrants and would have no cultural materials without the tremendous influence of African-Americans on the heart and soul of America. Blacks, Latinos and Asians almost uniformly vote for Democrats because they see the injustice of a system that is dependent on them but uses and abuses them in every aspect of life. Their voting patterns are not an indication of anti-white racism but rather an indication that people of color wish to eradicate racism.

No, that's what silly white people tell themselves. Russel Simmons explained it once upon a time, when he was talking about the difference in rebel subcultures within white and minority demographics. He said white people fight to get out, and minorities fight to get in.

Capitalist conservative WASPs are viewed as the cultural hegemons. Liberals are fighting to get out from under (what they believe to be) oppressive economic policy and extraneous social decorum. Minorities, on the other hand, are not fighting to have a different flavor of middle-class or upper-middle class existence. According to Simmons, they are fighting to get a piece of the existing, established American Dream. Why do you think "spread the wealth around" was so intoxicating, and Obamacare was so lukewarm?

Liberals and minorities have virtually nothing in common beyond mutual distrust of conservative WASPs. Democrats are aware of the situation, and they never let a good race crisis go to waste.

nice whitesplaining, broseph
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« Reply #67 on: October 14, 2014, 11:22:34 PM »


I actually blacksplained it, brotha.

Don't give me credit for an insight made by Simmons.
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« Reply #68 on: October 14, 2014, 11:42:37 PM »

Am I too far gone to be helped? Guess what then, so are most minorities who make more than 100k. What is your plan to get around that? Nazi Germany? A final solution must sound nice to you, huh?

I get it now. This is a cry for acceptance and recognition. Simmons was definitely on the right track.
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« Reply #69 on: October 14, 2014, 11:56:04 PM »
« Edited: October 14, 2014, 11:59:54 PM by Sbane »

Am I too far gone to be helped? Guess what then, so are most minorities who make more than 100k. What is your plan to get around that? Nazi Germany? A final solution must sound nice to you, huh?

I get it now. This is a cry for acceptance and recognition. Simmons was definitely on the right track.

Is Simmons right or are you right? You have rightfully solved all the problems of this universe with your superior white brain, haven't you?
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« Reply #70 on: October 15, 2014, 12:53:33 AM »
« Edited: October 15, 2014, 12:57:56 AM by shua »

There's nothing racist about saying blacks and Latinos vote Democrat. The way you say it is 100% racist, but that's because you're a racist who sees everything through a racist lens.

White urban voters vote the same as black and Hispanic urban voters. The only difference is most whites are suburban/rural while most blacks and hispanics are urban.

Urbanites see the benefits of the government first hand with public transportation, public schools, public libraries, etc. Urban culture is generally aligned with Democratic Party policy.

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of South Texas, West Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Southern Colorado, and the Inland Empire. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina.

How can you be from New Mexico, and know so little about minority demography?

OMG, you managed to post an even dumber post in this thread. Kudos, brother, kudos.

What is so dumb there?   It isn't true that racial differences in voting can be accounted for by the urban/rural divide.

There is so much dumb there that I am not sure where to start. First of all, non-white people in Louisiana and Mississippi do not vote Republican. Can we at least agree on that? Like, seriously, we need to agree on that or just commit suicide because there would be no point to living otherwise.

Ok, now that we have gotten beyond the deep south (hopefully), we can start discussing Hispanic voting patterns. Rove figured out in 2004 how to get middle class Hispanics to vote for the Republican party. Subsequently, the Republican party went on a mission to figure out how to repel such votes. If you do not understand that, then you do not understand contemporary American politics. You may want to apologize for the Republican party due to your own personal biases, but you need to understand that going nativist repels Hispanic and Asian votes, even if those individuals own their own businesses making more than $500,000 a year. It is more important to an individual that their success be celebrated and appreciated than them having to pay 3% more in taxes. Does that make sense to you? I know you are not a racist, and you may have a hard time understanding this, but many of your Republican friends and family are. That is why minorities, especially those who are doing well economically, don't vote for you guys.

At this point you may be pissed, protesting vehemently that the Democrats are just as racist as Republicans. That is not how things are perceived though, and perception is reality. I will admit that some Republicans have gotten smart about this, but it remains to be seen how successful this is. The Republicans need to push a message of prosperity regardless of race, ethnicity, religion etc. If they are successful at this, they will be successful in the near future. If they are not, then they won't be, as well off minorities vote Democrat because the alternative is a hostile Republican party.

When are Republicans going to be able to spread that message? Do they even care enough to spread that message? Are the Republicans interested in being the party of white people or well off Americans? That is a question the Republicans themselves need to answer. Are they content with being a fascist party or do they want to maintain themselves as a conservative party? That is something for the Republican party to decide for themselves.

I agree with a good portion of what you said, and it's part of why I'm not enthusiastic about the GOP even if I think a lot of the criticism of them on this board goes off the deep end. But I don't see what that has to do with the post you just said was dumb. Seems like you are responding to something else.  Do you really think that King's explanation of why minorities vote Democrat is accurate?  (From what you just posted it seems like you think it is something else) How does it account for the vote of Hispanics in rural West Texas or the vote of rural blacks in Mississippi to say that minorities vote Democrat because they appreciate urban public services?

(The Republican members of my family are no more racist than I am, btw. Maybe a bit less PC unintentionally sometimes. I'm guessing that was just a throw away phrase but that's kind of a silly thing for you to say.)
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« Reply #71 on: October 15, 2014, 02:05:43 AM »

Is Simmons right or are you right? You have rightfully solved all the problems of this universe with your superior white brain, haven't you?

My brain is the same color as your brain, which merely underlines the stupidity of race politics.

At the best of times, a party might make its tent big enough to capture 60-65% of a particular race or gender. I understand the historical importance of Obama, but capturing 75%-80% of non-white voters in the long run is not a labor of competence or affection. I blanch at the potential abuses necessary to exert that kind of control.
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« Reply #72 on: October 15, 2014, 07:08:11 AM »

Am I too far gone to be helped? Guess what then, so are most minorities who make more than 100k. What is your plan to get around that? Nazi Germany? A final solution must sound nice to you, huh?

I get it now. This is a cry for acceptance and recognition. Simmons was definitely on the right track.

Quit hiding behind Russell Simmons and say what you think. Just because you found one quote by one black guy that you can wrench out of context doesn't mean anything.
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« Reply #73 on: October 15, 2014, 07:11:07 AM »

I do not see Obama being known as a great president. He has not got Americas involved in nearly enough wars. The wars he did get America involved in (such as Libya) were short, professionally handled and not nearly enough quirky anecdotes were created. Also, no historian will look kindly on a president who actually thinks the U.S. military is not the answer to every foreign policy question. No, Obama will rank the middle of the pack and chill out with Gerald Ford and Chester Arthur. That should be a good conversation, though.

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He will not be compared to Washington, Lincoln, and FDR, all of whom took a severely-divided country at extreme risk to domestic peace and fully resolved the situation.  I give him much credit for the end of the economic meltdown that threatened to be as severe as that of 1929-1933



(The graph is not mine, and I use it solely for illustration. Conclusions that I draw are mine).

In the wake of the financial collapse that resulted from gross mismanagement of the American economy, President Obama was unable to support any speculative boom that would create a veneer of prosperity over economic destruction as Dubya did. He did what FDR did -- he backed the banks -- but at an earlier stage in the meltdown. Because there is no Louisiana Purchase available on the cheap (Vladimir Putin is not going to sell us Siberia) he isn't Jefferson. His window of opportunity for major reforms of the American economic order, shut tightly in January 2011. But he did get major reforms in that window of opportunity.

Barack Obama rescued Corporate America. Unfortunately for his political power he also rescued the ability of Corporate America to buy every right-wing pol that it could.

Chester Arthur? A non-entity. Ford? Not prepared for an effective campaign for a nationwide election. Barack Obama got elected as resolutely as he was elected in 2008 because people who typically voted Republican for most Senate and House offices despaired of the prospect of a 1929-1933 meltdown of the American economy. He lost those people as he solved their despair, and he still got re-elected in 2012.

He wanted to become as great as Lincoln or FDR, and he has become more the new Woodrow Wilson, if without the bigotry.  



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« Reply #74 on: October 15, 2014, 08:19:36 AM »

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of San Jose, Los Angeles, San Diego and Denver. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Chicago, New Orleans, New York and Philadelphia.

Whether the white elite live in McMansions in far-lung suburbs or in expensive condominiums in the inner-city, they are dependent on the labor of Latino, Asian or Caribbean immigrants and would have no cultural materials without the tremendous influence of African-Americans on the heart and soul of America. Blacks, Latinos and Asians almost uniformly vote for Democrats because they see the injustice of a system that is dependent on them but uses and abuses them in every aspect of life. Their voting patterns are not an indication of anti-white racism but rather an indication that people of color wish to eradicate racism.

No, that's what silly white people tell themselves. Russel Simmons explained it once upon a time, when he was talking about the difference in rebel subcultures within white and minority demographics. He said white people fight to get out, and minorities fight to get in.

No. The minorities who want to get into the upper echelons of our society must contort themselves to show that their ethnicity is nothing more than an eccentric quirk, and generally try to show themselves as 'whiter than thou'. Those who fail at that and succeed at something else don't pretend to be anything other than what they are. The latter is far easier. It is safe to assume that the non-white parts of the middle class are in no way rebels. Maybe figures of entertainment and sports can get away with some rebellion, but they are rarely middle-class.

I see no reason to believe that black or Hispanic, let alone Asian, members of the American middle class are 'alienated' with middle-class life any more than are white members of the middle-class. They are liberals to the extent that they distrust right-wing extremists who would gut the public sector that gave them formal education or in many cases, a middle-class job. The black and Hispanic middle class are more likely than white counterparts to have a government job. Even if one is black or Hispanic and has a private-sector business or professional practice, one's clients are more likely to rely upon some form of government assistance -- food stamps or Medicaid.   

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The capitalist elite seeks economic, and not cultural, hegemony. So long as it gets complete control of the economy it does not care how debased American culture gets. It is willing to align itself with Christian fundamentalists to push pseudoscience and a world-rejecting view of the universe upon gullible people because it knows that it will be exempt from personal consequences.  It wants cheap, expendable labor that it can get productivity from with threats. If it can't reimpose slavery, then it can make debt bondage in all but name as the norm for people outside the elite. It would push workers into an arrangement analogous to the relationship between landowners and sharecroppers in the old South -- the employer offers sustenance on credit which must be met at the terms of the employer at some 'settlement' at the end of a term. Someone not working adequately at the terms of his employer can be punished by law. Of course such requires that the helpless wretch have no political power -- no vote.

That is a relevant model for America because it has existed in the past. Just look at all the credit-based rip-offs in America. All that is lacking is the disenfranchisement of those who have no property and a a police that harshly enforces the terms of peonage contracts.   

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What have Movement Conservatives done to merit trust by anyone other than themselves? They stand for the most rapacious, unprincipled plutocrats in America. They have succeeded in creating 'wedge' issues and promoting a political divide between poor whites and poor blacks, and offering 'pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die-to-those-who-comply' as a reward for miserable and miserable lives today. What they have yet to succeed at is ensuring that life will be so precarious and miserable that all that anyone not in the economic elite can look forward to is a contingent promise of 'pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die-to-those-who-comply'.

They would rather offer booze, prostitution, and pornography than social justice. The economic elite is utterly amoral.

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