In Defense of Obama

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You say that, but you and others on the Right have repeatedly claimed that black people and other minority groups are "brainwashed" into "government dependency" by Democrats. Not only is that not true, but it's really insulting to non-white voters.

It is clearly true, and your denial of the patently obvious preserves lingering racial tensions in the United States. Apparently, you believe that minorities are a single-minded demographic who all adhere to the same political philosophy? That's not racist at all.

Next you'll be telling us that Republicans do not exploit evangelicals.

What the hell are you even talking about? Do you think all minorities should be painted with the brush of being dependent on the government? If you answered yes to that question, then you should also be able to answer why most minorities, regardless of income, throw up a middle finger to the Republican party.

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There's nothing racist about saying blacks and Latinos vote Democrat. The way you say it is 100% racist, but that's because you're a racist who sees everything through a racist lens.

White urban voters vote the same as black and Hispanic urban voters. The only difference is most whites are suburban/rural while most blacks and hispanics are urban.

Urbanites see the benefits of the government first hand with public transportation, public schools, public libraries, etc. Urban culture is generally aligned with Democratic Party policy.

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of South Texas, West Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Southern Colorado, and the Inland Empire. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina.

How can you be from New Mexico, and know so little about minority demography?

OMG, you managed to post an even dumber post in this thread. Kudos, brother, kudos.

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The thriving progressive urban metropolises of San Jose, Los Angeles, San Diego and Denver. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Chicago, New Orleans, New York and Philadelphia.

Whether the white elite live in McMansions in far-lung suburbs or in expensive condominiums in the inner-city, they are dependent on the labor of Latino, Asian or Caribbean immigrants and would have no cultural materials without the tremendous influence of African-Americans on the heart and soul of America. Blacks, Latinos and Asians almost uniformly vote for Democrats because they see the injustice of a system that is dependent on them but uses and abuses them in every aspect of life. Their voting patterns are not an indication of anti-white racism but rather an indication that people of color wish to eradicate racism.

No, that's what silly white people tell themselves. Russel Simmons explained it once upon a time, when he was talking about the difference in rebel subcultures within white and minority demographics. He said white people fight to get out, and minorities fight to get in.

Capitalist conservative WASPs are viewed as the cultural hegemons. Liberals are fighting to get out from under (what they believe to be) oppressive economic policy and extraneous social decorum. Minorities, on the other hand, are not fighting to have a different flavor of middle-class or upper-middle class existence. According to Simmons, they are fighting to get a piece of the existing, established American Dream. Why do you think "spread the wealth around" was so intoxicating, and Obamacare was so lukewarm?

Liberals and minorities have virtually nothing in common beyond mutual distrust of conservative WASPs. Democrats are aware of the situation, and they never let a good race crisis go to waste.

It's as if the more you post in this thread, the dumber your posts get.

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There's nothing racist about saying blacks and Latinos vote Democrat. The way you say it is 100% racist, but that's because you're a racist who sees everything through a racist lens.

White urban voters vote the same as black and Hispanic urban voters. The only difference is most whites are suburban/rural while most blacks and hispanics are urban.

Urbanites see the benefits of the government first hand with public transportation, public schools, public libraries, etc. Urban culture is generally aligned with Democratic Party policy.

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of South Texas, West Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Southern Colorado, and the Inland Empire. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina.

How can you be from New Mexico, and know so little about minority demography?

OMG, you managed to post an even dumber post in this thread. Kudos, brother, kudos.

What is so dumb there?   It isn't true that racial differences in voting can be accounted for by the urban/rural divide.

There is so much dumb there that I am not sure where to start. First of all, non-white people in Louisiana and Mississippi do not vote Republican. Can we at least agree on that? Like, seriously, we need to agree on that or just commit suicide because there would be no point to living otherwise.

Ok, now that we have gotten beyond the deep south (hopefully), we can start discussing Hispanic voting patterns. Rove figured out in 2004 how to get middle class Hispanics to vote for the Republican party. Subsequently, the Republican party went on a mission to figure out how to repel such votes. If you do not understand that, then you do not understand contemporary American politics. You may want to apologize for the Republican party due to your own personal biases, but you need to understand that going nativist repels Hispanic and Asian votes, even if those individuals own their own businesses making more than $500,000 a year. It is more important to an individual that their success be celebrated and appreciated than them having to pay 3% more in taxes. Does that make sense to you? I know you are not a racist, and you may have a hard time understanding this, but many of your Republican friends and family are. That is why minorities, especially those who are doing well economically, don't vote for you guys.

At this point you may be pissed, protesting vehemently that the Democrats are just as racist as Republicans. That is not how things are perceived though, and perception is reality. I will admit that some Republicans have gotten smart about this, but it remains to be seen how successful this is. The Republicans need to push a message of prosperity regardless of race, ethnicity, religion etc. If they are successful at this, they will be successful in the near future. If they are not, then they won't be, as well off minorities vote Democrat because the alternative is a hostile Republican party.

When are Republicans going to be able to spread that message? Do they even care enough to spread that message? Are the Republicans interested in being the party of white people or well off Americans? That is a question the Republicans themselves need to answer. Are they content with being a fascist party or do they want to maintain themselves as a conservative party? That is something for the Republican party to decide for themselves.

[Sbane]

What the hell are you even talking about? Do you think all minorities should be painted with the brush of being dependent on the government? If you answered yes to that question, then you should also be able to answer why most minorities, regardless of income, throw up a middle finger to the Republican party.

What are you talking about? I don't think you have a clue what's going on.

And what exactly is your point? Be very specific because it is important.

As a minority whose parents make a lot of money and who will start making a lot of money soon, your points are extremely insulting to me. If you don't understand that, maybe you will start to understand why you are a Republican. If the Republican party wants to get the vote of minorities who aren't dependent on the government, they need to grow beyond racists like you.

[Sbane]

What the hell are you even talking about? Do you think all minorities should be painted with the brush of being dependent on the government? If you answered yes to that question, then you should also be able to answer why most minorities, regardless of income, throw up a middle finger to the Republican party.

Emancipation, Civil Rights, Amnesty, and Bush's guest worker program. Which of those strikes you as most racist?

The current Republican party can't claim emancipation or civil rights.

As for amnesty, what is the current Republican party's view on that? Hell, how do they view immigrants who fought for this damn country? Republicans don't want to let them stay in this country either. The current Republican party is a racist joke. Hispanics looked up to Reagan and Reagan helped them assimilate into this country. The current Republican party is full of a bunch of nativist assholes.

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The current Republican party can't claim emancipation or civil rights.

As for amnesty, what is the current Republican party's view on that? Hell, how do they view immigrants who fought for this damn country? Republicans don't want to let them stay in this country either. The current Republican party is a racist joke. Hispanics looked up to Reagan and Reagan helped them assimilate into this country. The current Republican party is full of a bunch of nativist assholes.

This is the kind of thoughtless, inane yammering that undermines whatever point you are trying to make. In your mind, Republicans tack from progressive race policy to indecency, only to accidentally stumble upon progressive policy, while drafting a neo-segregation bill.

You're too far gone to be helped.

Am I too far gone to be helped? Guess what then, so are most minorities who make more than 100k. What is your plan to get around that? Nazi Germany? A final solution must sound nice to you, huh?

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Am I too far gone to be helped? Guess what then, so are most minorities who make more than 100k. What is your plan to get around that? Nazi Germany? A final solution must sound nice to you, huh?

I get it now. This is a cry for acceptance and recognition. Simmons was definitely on the right track.

Is Simmons right or are you right? You have rightfully solved all the problems of this universe with your superior white brain, haven't you?

[Sbane]

There's nothing racist about saying blacks and Latinos vote Democrat. The way you say it is 100% racist, but that's because you're a racist who sees everything through a racist lens.

White urban voters vote the same as black and Hispanic urban voters. The only difference is most whites are suburban/rural while most blacks and hispanics are urban.

Urbanites see the benefits of the government first hand with public transportation, public schools, public libraries, etc. Urban culture is generally aligned with Democratic Party policy.

The thriving progressive urban metropolises of South Texas, West Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Southern Colorado, and the Inland Empire. The progressive cosmopolitan powerhouses in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina.

How can you be from New Mexico, and know so little about minority demography?

OMG, you managed to post an even dumber post in this thread. Kudos, brother, kudos.

What is so dumb there?   It isn't true that racial differences in voting can be accounted for by the urban/rural divide.

There is so much dumb there that I am not sure where to start. First of all, non-white people in Louisiana and Mississippi do not vote Republican. Can we at least agree on that? Like, seriously, we need to agree on that or just commit suicide because there would be no point to living otherwise.

Ok, now that we have gotten beyond the deep south (hopefully), we can start discussing Hispanic voting patterns. Rove figured out in 2004 how to get middle class Hispanics to vote for the Republican party. Subsequently, the Republican party went on a mission to figure out how to repel such votes. If you do not understand that, then you do not understand contemporary American politics. You may want to apologize for the Republican party due to your own personal biases, but you need to understand that going nativist repels Hispanic and Asian votes, even if those individuals own their own businesses making more than $500,000 a year. It is more important to an individual that their success be celebrated and appreciated than them having to pay 3% more in taxes. Does that make sense to you? I know you are not a racist, and you may have a hard time understanding this, but many of your Republican friends and family are. That is why minorities, especially those who are doing well economically, don't vote for you guys.

At this point you may be pissed, protesting vehemently that the Democrats are just as racist as Republicans. That is not how things are perceived though, and perception is reality. I will admit that some Republicans have gotten smart about this, but it remains to be seen how successful this is. The Republicans need to push a message of prosperity regardless of race, ethnicity, religion etc. If they are successful at this, they will be successful in the near future. If they are not, then they won't be, as well off minorities vote Democrat because the alternative is a hostile Republican party.

When are Republicans going to be able to spread that message? Do they even care enough to spread that message? Are the Republicans interested in being the party of white people or well off Americans? That is a question the Republicans themselves need to answer. Are they content with being a fascist party or do they want to maintain themselves as a conservative party? That is something for the Republican party to decide for themselves.

I agree with a good portion of what you said, and it's part of why I'm not enthusiastic about the GOP even if I think a lot of the criticism of them on this board goes off the deep end. But I don't see what that has to do with the post you just said was dumb. Seems like you are responding to something else.  Do you really think that King's explanation of why minorities vote Democrat is accurate?  (From what you just posted it seems like you think it is something else) How does it account for the vote of Hispanics in rural West Texas or the vote of rural blacks in Mississippi to say that minorities vote Democrat because they appreciate urban public services?

(The Republican members of my family are no more racist than I am, btw. Maybe a bit less PC unintentionally sometimes. I'm guessing that was just a throw away phrase but that's kind of a silly thing for you to say.)

I agree with King to a certain extent but not totally. Some of the difference in racial voting is due to where people reside, but that is not always true. It is truer of the white population than it is of non-whites in particular.

Income is also very important in determining one's vote. That is why I don't see the Mississippi delta or Hispanics working in Central Valley farms voting Republican. That being said there are Hispanics who live in exurban/rural areas and are well off that started voting Democrat recently. The inland empire of California and the Central Valley are two examples as well as southern Colorado. I was mostly responding to AG's post though where he implies minorities vote Republican in minority heavy Republican areas. That is absolutely ridiculous in the Deep South and in the other places he listed (Hispanic heavy) would only be true in 2004. Since then the Republicans have repelled such votes from Hispanics. Indeed, in 2004 after adjusting for income and where Hispanics live, there would be almost no difference in the white and Hispanic vote. That is what the Republican Party needs to get back to.