The Warren vs. Obama Spin

[Kraxner]

Warren is not going to run, especially since unlike Obama in 2008. She respects Hillary.

She might run if Hillary decides to quit politics by 2016, but she'll loose massively to a moderate republican if she manages to win the democratic candidacy.

Alsowasn't Obama supposed to be the far-left's Elizabeth Warren back in 2008?


If Warren even somehow manages to get elected, just like Obama. In many years down the road they'll just be complaining about how "Warren is a secret conservative/center-right" Like the far-left/radical base of thedemocratic party are calling Obama today.

President's always change their policies when they have to experience more of the political issues from the broader range and not the ideological bubble they had when they got elected.

Thats why Obama went from cap and trade, closing gitmo, wanting to revoke the Patriot act, leaving Iraq, more gun control. To reversing those positions slowly up to today.

Bill Clinton campaigned on cutting taxes and establishing a universal single payer healthcare system. To doing neither of that because cutting taxes would of not allowed the budget surplus in his second term. And the healthcare debacle became a mess that he led the democrats to lose the house of representatives in 40 years.

Reagan also had to raise some taxes back when the deficit grew.

And HW bush did it also despite promising "No new taxes"


In thr article she wants Obama to "argue for the positions" she wants. Even though he has already done so and many democrats were misguided about how much power a President really has. And no attempt at persuasion can change members of the other party to vote for what you want. And they don't have to because they were voted specifically to oppose the policies of the opposite party. Otherwise the voters would of voted for the party of the president. Let's remember that Bush campaigned after the 2004 election for an amendment to ban gay marriage and it dropped when not even his own party liked the idea. You can not force congress to vote to approve your idea just by talking about it.


Besides, Warren has little clue about Wall street besides left wing jargon. Its a bid disheartening when i hear people still to this day believe that the 2008 crisis had "one single cause and had it bwen stopped the crash wouldn't of happened"

[Kraxner]

Ted Cruz could legitimately eradicate Warren by 15 percent. I hope she runs.

I assume you mean in Texas?

I'm talking about the popular vote.

The way you talk about her, you'd think she'd have some views outside of the mainstream

Some people don't seem to get the writing on the wall that she'll be the equivalent of Mondale, McGovern, Dukakis, and Kerry.

All of which were weak opponents and weak campaigners. Who gave up on winning and instead tried to retain the left wing base.

Cruz might win by 3-6% If he faces her. And if she even tries to put sanders on the VP. It's going to be a blowout victory for Cruz, despite cruz's radical conservatism.

[Kraxner]

I really feel that the Democratic "divide" is vastly overrated.  It's an incredibly united party right now, especially considering the state of the GOP, and their only disagreements are on how far to go or how to proceed with the same fiscally liberal/populist/anti-Wall Street agenda.  For example, Obama wants to go less far than Warren.  However, it's a unanimous voice coming from the Democrats denouncing deregulation, calling for a minimum wage increase, taking corporate donations out of campaigns, etc.

It seems united, but there has been a growing rift between moderates and the more radical left wing base since OWS.

I forsee a 2000 like situation in 2016, where a green party candidate manages to sweep up votes from dissatisfied democrats from the radicals who feel that the democrats have been too moderate.

Go to left wing blogs and forums and they have became absolutely hateful of moderates, calling them "turd way", centre-right, secret conservatives. And what else.


Ane its getting worse if to consider the idea of the filter bubble, which has created an echo chamber among the left, ans causing moderate democrats like me to drop out from the democratic party all together due to the hostility I and many received for " Not being left enough"


If Warren or sanders even manage to get the democratic nomination, a 2000 like split with the far left might be prevented. But a savy moderate republican could be very instrumental in getting moderate democrats to swing for them in 2016 if a moderate democrat doesn't get the nomination.


Lets not forget that McCain was actually surging on Obama due to Hillary voters in 2008, dropping out. And that only changed and they decided to vote for Obama because of the financial crash in September of 2008 and the subsequent rise in unemployment..


Edit: Also to add, for some reason the fact that Southern democrats and many democrats facing tough re-election are running blue dog campaigns which are centre-left in economic policy but centre-right on social issues like guns, seems to piss off the left wing blogs who think that every democrat should be forced to run a generic progressive/leftwing campaign regardless of local circumstances.