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Question: Who is the worst President, of these three?
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LBJ
 
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Carter
 
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« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2014, 05:29:17 PM »

You're right, Snowstalker, we obviously like LBJ because we love seeing Vietnamese die. There is absolutely no reason for any leftist to like him. But then you hate Bernie Sanders because he doesn't like ISIS, so I imagine in your insane worldview the Great Society and War on Poverty didn't count because they didn't involve guillotining social democrats.
Lives of Vietnamese people and American soldiers>Medicare. Simple as that.
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« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2014, 09:13:53 PM »

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« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2014, 02:34:12 AM »

Carter, in terms of accomplishing his agenda, Johnson in terms of having committed the worst acts (not to discount his accomplishments that everyone should be able to praise).
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« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2014, 07:10:30 AM »

Lives of Vietnamese people and American soldiers>Medicare Lives of old people. Simple as that.

FTFY.
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« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2014, 07:37:06 AM »

LBJ. By far.

In order from worst to best:

LBJ








Obama
Carter
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« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2014, 07:39:58 AM »

The worst president ever is always the present one.
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« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2014, 04:15:11 PM »

I said Carter, but it by all rights could be any of the three.
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« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2014, 05:25:21 PM »

You're right, Snowstalker, we obviously like LBJ because we love seeing Vietnamese die. There is absolutely no reason for any leftist to like him. But then you hate Bernie Sanders because he doesn't like ISIS, so I imagine in your insane worldview the Great Society and War on Poverty didn't count because they didn't involve guillotining social democrats.
Lives of Vietnamese people and American soldiers>Medicare. Simple as that.

Says the Nixon fanboy.
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« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2014, 05:42:30 PM »

You're right, Snowstalker, we obviously like LBJ because we love seeing Vietnamese die. There is absolutely no reason for any leftist to like him. But then you hate Bernie Sanders because he doesn't like ISIS, so I imagine in your insane worldview the Great Society and War on Poverty didn't count because they didn't involve guillotining social democrats.
Lives of Vietnamese people and American soldiers>Medicare. Simple as that.

Says the Nixon fanboy.
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« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2014, 10:45:40 PM »

Carter, considering that the other two are among the best Presidents in history.
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« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2014, 04:46:50 AM »

The answer is the best President of the last third of a century.
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« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2014, 07:00:20 AM »

Obama, as the other two had significant achievements and stood for things.
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« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2014, 10:11:18 PM »

Carter, because he didn't really accomplish much. But I'm not saying he's objectively terrible when looking at all of US history; he was just ineffective and the "least good" of this bunch.


LBJ was both a great President and a horrible one, so it kind of cancels out (but I put him more on the positive side). Obama's been okay.
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« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2014, 12:07:46 AM »

Carter and LBJ both did things to change the status quo, both didn't let Congress bully them into submission and thus allow more and more polarization to creep up and gridlock everything, and both believed in a noble government that can do things.

Carter just had the misfortune of being too mean to Congress, and starting to drink the deregulation juice of doom. But his foreign policy is still the best by far and starting the Department of Education was genius.

LBJ's few sins were Vietnam and Nixonian surveillance (which are admittedly real big ones,but he did enough incredible things to overlook those such as the Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, and Great Society), but everything else out of him was pretty much gold. Sans JFK and FDR he's the best of the 20th.

So yeah Obama is the worst by country mile, and not just because he fails at liberalism but because:

He's nothing but an opportunist on a good day,and a push-over to a MINORITY of Congress on a bad day (or at least it was a complete minority and could've stayed that way if he had put in more backbone). He hasn't done much of any social reform, always backing out at the last second or doing too little, most disappointing in cases such as healthcare and the environment.

When he travels, it seems to be purely for fundraising with the elites rather than much of substance.

And then there's his drones and failure to repeal the PATRIOT ACT.

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« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2014, 03:43:35 AM »

Carter on a presidential level, Obama and LBJ are tied on a personality level, but I don't like them on a presidential level either.
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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2014, 01:04:42 AM »

LBJ apologists continue to downplay Vietnam as if anything can cover that up and have me voting differently
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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2014, 01:23:41 AM »

Considering post WWII, pretty much all the Presidents except Carter were getting into all sorts of wrong and sick things...I'd say downplaying Vietnam is justifiable.

Obama and his drones, and torture, and failure to repeal the PATRIOT act, and Afghanistan even with bin Laden dead are more than equivalent to 'Nam. And Obama didn't strong arm in huge social reform to compensate, he let the GOP minority bully him, which gave them ammunition for 2010.

And the worst of 'Nam was ultimately under Nixon anyway.
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« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2014, 02:37:24 AM »



...Carter just had the misfortune of being too mean to Congress, and starting to drink the deregulation juice of doom...


O come on. In what way were Carter's deregulations not a resounding success? The Staggers Rail Act saved the railroad industry from collapse and prevented everything from going Penn-Central. The Airline Deregulation Act has meant vastly cheaper, competitive fares that have enabled more and more Americans to see the country while charging the airlines for services they use, and the Motor Carrier act declogged interstate trucking, allowing faster, more responsive and more efficient road-haulage.  The Depository Institutions act enabled removed price controls on interest rates paid to depositors, enabled savings and loans and credit unions to issue checking accounts, and the Regulatory Flexibility Act forced regulatory agencies to be more intelligent and considerate in the way they operated. 

These measures have contributed countless billions to American growth and productivity, and while it is true that today's conservatives continue to seek to replicate those gains though further deregulation, it certainly doesn't follow that those gains are to be had at this point. The 1970s economy had indeed become burdened with regulatory frameworks which were outdated and unresponsive, and that needed to change.

It's one thing to say that a current measure might be ill-advised or not worth the cost, it's another to his at the notion that reducing government interference in economic calculations is always and everywhere bad
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« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2014, 02:54:08 AM »

Obama and his drones, and torture, and failure to repeal the PATRIOT act, and Afghanistan even with bin Laden dead are more than equivalent to 'Nam.
In what way?  Certainly not deaths or dollars.
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