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« on: October 14, 2014, 06:04:02 PM »


For too long the Atlasian government has coddled the British imperialist state, playing an accessory role to its continued occupation of Ireland. We have entered into agreements with this government, pledged mutual support for its initiatives abroad, and on the whole 'made nice' with this royalist, colonialist power which denies the right of self-determination to its inhabitants. Those of us forming the nexus of this new organization, the Atlasia-Ireland Public Affairs Committee (hereafter AIPAC) oppose this 'special relationship' with one of the centers of world imperialism. We declare unconditional support for the liberation of occupied Ireland and demand nothing less than a removal of British troops from the northern part of the island.

We believe that Atlasia, as a historic enemy of that imperialist state, has a special role to play in dismantling it. We celebrate all that is Atlasian and all that is revolutionary, all which opposes the tyrannical imperialism of the British crown and its lackeys. Yet we do not condemn the people of Britain, who are just as oppressed as their brothers and sisters across the channel. We urge these men and women to reject the illegitimate monarch which rules their isle and provide for the peaceful reunification of Ireland.

We ask for the support of every Atlasian, and we seek to endorse candidates which will commit to ending our decades-long love affair with British imperialism. We encourage our supporters to drink coffee, not tea. We encourage our supporters to turn off Dr. Who and turn on Atlasia's Got Talent. We encourage our supporters to cut off financial support for news programs and outlets that spend more time addressing the 'Royal Baby' than they do Atlasian public affairs. We call for the abdication of the Queen and the abolition of the royalty.

But above all, we call for freedom. Freedom for Ireland. Freedom for the oppressed. And we stand in solidarity with all who claim those same values, wherever they may be.

If you wish to be counted among our number, sign below. We need all the support we can get to take on the imperialist British state.

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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2014, 06:09:32 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2014, 07:37:46 PM »

I might post more later about how evil of an idea land ownership is and how any decent socialist should oppose the Mass Capitalist Engine that is British Imperialism, but for now I give my very enthusiastic signature

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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2014, 10:12:33 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2014, 11:01:45 PM »

The Cause of Free Ireland:


Mideast Legislator Mechaman, proud member of the Atlasia-Ireland Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)

Greetings all allies and friends of the dream of United, Free, and Prosperous Irish Nation!

I am proud to consider myself one of the first members of this revolutionary new Committee that takes a hard line against the dangerous specter of British Imperialism.  While I do agree with most of my comrade TNF's introductory comments on the purpose of this organization, I believe that there is a bit more to the spirit of the movement of United Ireland than mere opposition to the unchecked influence of corrupt British Corporatocracy that has waged a centuries long war against the Common Peoples of the world.

Indeed, while I take pride of being one of many Atlasians of Irish ancestry, I cannot deny that some of the very worst crimes of the British state is the decimation of even the poor and weak among themselves.  After all, it was the streets of London that the immortal Charles Dickens attacked for it's pervasive poverty, it's lack of human care, and the violent and parasitic impulses of the landed aristocrats who threw many a poor Englishman into prison for daring to be poor in a world where money and privilege was king.  It was from this world that the ancestors of my good friend Dr. Cynic came from to this great land of opportunity.  This man, this Anglo-Protestant, I call my brother and my friend through the years, through the decades, and through the innumerable battles we have fought together against an uncaring elite that put it's stock portfolios above the needs of the poor and oppressed of the world.

The True Evil of British Imperialism is not that it has committed crimes of mass genocide, economic slavery, massive economic redistribution in favor of the rich, wars of imperialistic rationale, but that it has been among one of the most adamant and strident defenders of a corrupt, inhuman, and sadistic economic ideology whose negative effects can be felt everywhere from Calcutta to Dublin to Ottawa to even the streets of London.  And that great evil is Landed Capitalism.

There are many who have remained and will continue to remain skeptical of those of us who have continued the cause for a free and united Irish state completely free of British rule.  Admittedly, mistakes have been made in the past.  The bitter and angry among us, many of themselves the very same reactionaries they claim to oppose, have done great damage to the immortal cause of total freedom and liberty for the Irish by advocating for the bloodshed of innocent Englishmen, women, and children who are just as much victims of the Capitalistic Satan whose shadow covers the world in it's affluence.  We must condemn, in the strongest terms, these people wherever they may arise!  We should give no reason or justification to the critics who have long maintained that the Irish people are a people unfit for self-rule.

More important, at the very heart of British tyranny and oppression of the Irish people and millions of others is the existence of Land Ownership.  The idea that land, the commodity that belongs to no man, is subject to ownership by those with the means to afford it!  Such a concept is responsible for more wars than any other and responsible for more deaths than any other cause.  Irish revolutionaries throughout the centuries have long fought against this great evil, sometimes with great successes and other times with failure.  Indeed, the so-called "Irish Free State" that was established after the end of the War for Independence undid whatever successes the Irish people had achieved just a few years earlier by, dare I say it, changing the enemies from thieving landed interests to just merely English landowners.  The unfortunate side effect being that the common people of "Ireland" (then determined to be the lower 26 counties of the isle) simply exchanged English robber barons for Irish ones.  With such elites still in charge, the Irish of the lower 26 left their northern brothers and sisters to the mercy of a militant reactionary government that the nations of the West lacked the fortitude to confront.
Dare I say that these landed interests, as Irish as they may appear, are just as much the enemy of a free Ireland as that of the English landholders who preceeded them?

It is by this logic that I stand by my colleague TNF's assertion that the people of Ireland are still not truly free, that they all are still slaves to the interests that have controlled them since time immemorial.  Republic of Ireland political leaders have sold their souls to the spirit of Capitalism, the most dangerous tactic ever devised by a scheming British mind!  They have not only stood aside and let the multinational unethical land grabbing corporate fascists run amok, they have even gone so far as to enable them by siding with them in so-called "free trade" agreements and other tools of the powerful elite western nations to keep the nations of the "Third World" in eternal subjugation!  All in the name of the LANDED INTERESTS!

There can be no free Ireland as long as the notion of Landed Capital is unbound.  There can be no free common man as long as the notion of Landed Capital is advocated by the most powerful governments of the world.  There can be no free WORLD as long as Landed Capital exists.  It is my sincere belief that any real organization devoted to support of real Irish freedom should be a devoutly socialistic one with the abolition of land ownership as one of it's principle aims.

As a very proud Irish-Atlasian, the abolition of Land Ownership is a fight that I have fought my entire political life and I will fight it until my dying day.  And I very strongly believe that every single one of youse who dares sign your name in this thread are proud endorsers of this great struggle that is at the very heart of not only true Irish Independence, but of the salvation of the entirety of human civilization!  Join with me brothers and sisters, as I close out with a quote from one of the greatest freedom fighters in Irish history:

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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2014, 05:38:44 AM »

We encourage our supporters to turn off Dr. Who and turn on Atlasia's Got Talent.

This is literally the worst sentence you have ever written, Sen. TNF, sir. I'm sorry, but it's true.

Also how about we ask the Northern Irish what they think? Oh, wait, they'd oppose reunification.
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2014, 06:50:48 AM »
« Edited: October 15, 2014, 07:02:05 AM by Mechaman »

We encourage our supporters to turn off Dr. Who and turn on Atlasia's Got Talent.

This is literally the worst sentence you have ever written, Sen. TNF, sir. I'm sorry, but it's true.

Also how about we ask the Northern Irish what they think? Oh, wait, they'd oppose reunification.

I don't see how blacklisting British entertainment would help the cause, to be fair.

As for the Northern Irish being in favor of remaining in Britain?  You and I both know it is very easy to distort public opinion on an issue if you got both the guns and the printing presses at your disposal.  The British Government has also got the Austerity Machine on it's side, which will inevitably make our argument much stronger in the years ahead.

Further, given how much support your own independence movement got (which I admittedly am one of very few members) I find your point pretty ironic.  I guess this goes to show that British Apologism is embraced even by so-called "Northeastern Catholics", lol.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2014, 07:48:42 AM »

Tea is not a British invention.
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2014, 02:06:55 PM »

We encourage our supporters to turn off Dr. Who and turn on Atlasia's Got Talent.

This is literally the worst sentence you have ever written, Sen. TNF, sir. I'm sorry, but it's true.

Also how about we ask the Northern Irish what they think? Oh, wait, they'd oppose reunification.

I don't see how blacklisting British entertainment would help the cause, to be fair.

As for the Northern Irish being in favor of remaining in Britain?  You and I both know it is very easy to distort public opinion on an issue if you got both the guns and the printing presses at your disposal.  The British Government has also got the Austerity Machine on it's side, which will inevitably make our argument much stronger in the years ahead.

Further, given how much support your own independence movement got (which I admittedly am one of very few members) I find your point pretty ironic.  I guess this goes to show that British Apologism is embraced even by so-called "Northeastern Catholics", lol.

We're not discussing asking Britain about Northern Ireland. We're discussing asking Northern Ireland about Northern Ireland, and while your points are legitimate I don't think it's reasonable to say "I support Irish reunification because Northern Ireland might support it too." I support the right of Northern Ireland to self-determination, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2014, 03:37:32 PM »

We encourage our supporters to turn off Dr. Who and turn on Atlasia's Got Talent.

This is literally the worst sentence you have ever written, Sen. TNF, sir. I'm sorry, but it's true.

Also how about we ask the Northern Irish what they think? Oh, wait, they'd oppose reunification.

I don't see how blacklisting British entertainment would help the cause, to be fair.

As for the Northern Irish being in favor of remaining in Britain?  You and I both know it is very easy to distort public opinion on an issue if you got both the guns and the printing presses at your disposal.  The British Government has also got the Austerity Machine on it's side, which will inevitably make our argument much stronger in the years ahead.

Further, given how much support your own independence movement got (which I admittedly am one of very few members) I find your point pretty ironic.  I guess this goes to show that British Apologism is embraced even by so-called "Northeastern Catholics", lol.

We're not discussing asking Britain about Northern Ireland. We're discussing asking Northern Ireland about Northern Ireland, and while your points are legitimate I don't think it's reasonable to say "I support Irish reunification because Northern Ireland might support it too." I support the right of Northern Ireland to self-determination, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Fair enough.
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2014, 03:44:29 PM »

We encourage our supporters to turn off Dr. Who and turn on Atlasia's Got Talent.

This is literally the worst sentence you have ever written, Sen. TNF, sir. I'm sorry, but it's true.

Also how about we ask the Northern Irish what they think? Oh, wait, they'd oppose reunification.

I don't see how blacklisting British entertainment would help the cause, to be fair.

As for the Northern Irish being in favor of remaining in Britain?  You and I both know it is very easy to distort public opinion on an issue if you got both the guns and the printing presses at your disposal.  The British Government has also got the Austerity Machine on it's side, which will inevitably make our argument much stronger in the years ahead.

Further, given how much support your own independence movement got (which I admittedly am one of very few members) I find your point pretty ironic.  I guess this goes to show that British Apologism is embraced even by so-called "Northeastern Catholics", lol.

We're not discussing asking Britain about Northern Ireland. We're discussing asking Northern Ireland about Northern Ireland, and while your points are legitimate I don't think it's reasonable to say "I support Irish reunification because Northern Ireland might support it too." I support the right of Northern Ireland to self-determination, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Fair enough.

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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2014, 01:35:44 AM »

I'm certainly sympathetic to the cause of Irish reunification. I think the people of Northern Ireland should get a referendum on it, much the same as the Scots did.

To my friend, Mechaman, I really should point out though, and it would be dishonest for me not to, that escaping poverty wasn't the reason my family emigrated from England. On the whole, both my great-grandparents were moderately prosperous. My great-grandfather was one of only I think at the time, two plumbers in the city of Plymouth and my great-grandmother made a nice income as a seamstress. They didn't travel steerage class and had no trouble financially (though he did leave Pittsburgh for Donora because his Irish neighbors harassed him over the issue)... The reason for leaving had to do with a political argument that pitted the five of them three against two. (My great-grandfather Percy and brothers Rod and Owen were Liberal voters and the other two, Alfred and Fred were Tories) The big split came over the 1904 Devonport by-election and snowballed from there until 1907 when my great-grandfather came here.

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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2014, 04:07:39 AM »

Are capitalists welcome here, or are Mechaman's statements representative of the true cause if this committee?
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2014, 06:30:02 AM »

Are capitalists welcome here, or are Mechaman's statements representative of the true cause if this committee?

I have no opposition to your support.  In fact we welcome it in the hopes that it will eventually overwhelm your love of teh Capitale.
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2014, 06:31:50 AM »

I'm certainly sympathetic to the cause of Irish reunification. I think the people of Northern Ireland should get a referendum on it, much the same as the Scots did.

To my friend, Mechaman, I really should point out though, and it would be dishonest for me not to, that escaping poverty wasn't the reason my family emigrated from England. On the whole, both my great-grandparents were moderately prosperous. My great-grandfather was one of only I think at the time, two plumbers in the city of Plymouth and my great-grandmother made a nice income as a seamstress. They didn't travel steerage class and had no trouble financially (though he did leave Pittsburgh for Donora because his Irish neighbors harassed him over the issue)... The reason for leaving had to do with a political argument that pitted the five of them three against two. (My great-grandfather Percy and brothers Rod and Owen were Liberal voters and the other two, Alfred and Fred were Tories) The big split came over the 1904 Devonport by-election and snowballed from there until 1907 when my great-grandfather came here.



Thanks for destroying my narrative! LMFAO
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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2014, 02:00:05 PM »

I'm certainly sympathetic to the cause of Irish reunification. I think the people of Northern Ireland should get a referendum on it, much the same as the Scots did.

To my friend, Mechaman, I really should point out though, and it would be dishonest for me not to, that escaping poverty wasn't the reason my family emigrated from England. On the whole, both my great-grandparents were moderately prosperous. My great-grandfather was one of only I think at the time, two plumbers in the city of Plymouth and my great-grandmother made a nice income as a seamstress. They didn't travel steerage class and had no trouble financially (though he did leave Pittsburgh for Donora because his Irish neighbors harassed him over the issue)... The reason for leaving had to do with a political argument that pitted the five of them three against two. (My great-grandfather Percy and brothers Rod and Owen were Liberal voters and the other two, Alfred and Fred were Tories) The big split came over the 1904 Devonport by-election and snowballed from there until 1907 when my great-grandfather came here.



Thanks for destroying my narrative! LMFAO

Haha... I still appreciate the sentiment though and I am in sympathy with the cause of Irish reunification Smiley
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