Should the US adopt a single-payer health care system?
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« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2014, 02:55:34 PM »

As soon as you say 'model' you imply something a little more directed than 'patchwork of legislation and agreement that over time created a semi-coherent structure that covers basically everyone'. Of course it is at least better than writing 'Beveridge model' when that old duffer did not actually favour the sort of socialist set-up that American wonks now use his name as euphemistic jargon for...
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« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2014, 05:18:52 PM »

The so-called Bismarck model does not actually exist; it is a fiction largely created by American policy wonks who want to imagine that the world was (and is) created by people like them (thankfully this is not the case). The system of social insurance introduced by Bismarck was certainly highly influential and can be seen as foundational in terms of German social policy (which, by the way, is insanely complex and reflects well over a century of constant tinkering by governments red, blue, black and brown. As regards healthcare, some particularly important changes - aimed at greater uniformity - were introduced by the SPD-led coalition in the 1970s), but it was not a universal service and nor was it ever envisioned as one; it only covered manual workers in industry and lower grade public servants. These groups were chosen for blatantly political reasons as they were most likely to vote for the SPD, an organisation then regarded as subversive and dangerous. Subsequent expansions of coverage (and changes to regulation, to administration, to the nature of coverage and so on) have also tended to be inspired by short term political calculations, as is often the way with incremental reform. The resulting system might look to be the creation of a singular vision, but this is basically an illusion.


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« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2014, 05:26:16 PM »

I use the term "model" here to refer to what the Bismarck system has accreted into over the decades, not assuming that it was ever formed whole-cloth and emerged fully out of some mythical policy-wonk's head.  Health care systems pretty much always are the results of extended political battles and patchwork legislation that's worked and reworked over time and serve some party's or parties' interests.  It also has lots of local variants depending on where it exists.  The fact that a system which was not originally designed to cover everyone has become one that can means that there is at least hope that non-ideal things, through whatever confused and muddled process, can be made better over time.  If that were never possible, then human beings would be pretty much screwed, because confused and muddled at best is the only way we've ever been able to do anything.
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« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2014, 09:20:01 AM »

First we have to bring in a federal alternative to the private health insurance and slowly and surely nationalize more and more of the competition.
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« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2015, 10:13:38 AM »

Instead of having multiple Insurance Plans, How about each Insurance Company offers one plan but allow Consumers to pick and choose benefits ?
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