US AG put a stop to investigation that could have lead to recovery of dead IDF

[dead0man]

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Not cool Batman!  I'm sure the anit-Zionists are pleased and will be more pleased by the following ...Pursuant to developments during Operation Protective Edge, the Israeli defense establishment will reduce the production of weapon systems in the USA in the context of joint Israeli-American projects, and will rely more heavily on Israeli-made products

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[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

It's rather surprising that we don't already have an MLAT in place with Israel.  Since the circumstances indicated Oron was already dead, I can see why our government felt no particular urgency to do things outside official channels.

As for trying to self-source its defensive gear, that doesn't make a lot of sense for Israel.  If they want to keep the US subsidizing its military, they have to let the US get some jobs out of it.  It's doubtful that Israel's economy could sustain the full cost of its military if they were to no longer get US assistance.

[dead0man]

It's rather surprising that we don't already have an MLAT in place with Israel.  Since the circumstances indicated Oron was already dead, I can see why our government felt no particular urgency to do things outside official channels.

The FBI and the courts were ready and took the urgency seriously, and the AG was too until some higher up decided again' it.  And even if it was fairly obvious the dude was dead, it still would have been nice to get the info to the boots on the ground ASAP and perhaps get the body parts back.  Now Israel might decide to free a few hundred known bad guys to get the guys left foot and his spleen back. (which I agree isn't smart)

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It matters greatly if they run out of certain things again and the sitting President again denies them access to more.  Yeah, it may well be hard on the economy of the country, but it's better than the possible alternative.

[MaxQue]

The loyalty of the US government is towards Americans, not Likud, dead0man.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

As for trying to self-source its defensive gear, that doesn't make a lot of sense for Israel.  If they want to keep the US subsidizing its military, they have to let the US get some jobs out of it.  It's doubtful that Israel's economy could sustain the full cost of its military if they were to no longer get US assistance.

It matters greatly if they run out of certain things again and the sitting President again denies them access to more.  Yeah, it may well be hard on the economy of the country, but it's better than the possible alternative.

If Israel were fighting a defensive war rather than an offensive war it chose to start (yeah, Hamas was stupid to react the way they did to Israel's overreaction to the kidnapping of those three young invincible idiots, but they were predictably stupid, just as Israel is predictably stupid concerning the recovery of its lost soldiers, dead or alive) I don't see any US president this century as failing to turn on the material pipeline.

[dead0man]

Kerry was embarrassed by being ignored by BOTH sides, which sure it's funny and all because, well, Kerry and expected because, again, Kerry but still an embarrassment to Kerry is an embarrassment to Obama.  So Obama did the only thing he could, took his ball and went home.  I'm not saying Obama is anti-Israel, anti-Zionist or anti-Semitic or that Hillary will be any of those things either, but it makes sense for Israel to understand that Big Daddy America clearly isn't a 100% reliable ally and produce more sh**t at home.

And, if you'll remember, it was Hamas that repeatedly said no to or broke the cease fires.  Neither side wanted the war, but Hamas assumed if they kept it up they'd eventually get something to show for it (other than the always dependable body count ratio).  Luckily they never did get anything to show for it except of a few body parts and, again, the body count ratio.  And they lost a lot.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Hamas also never stopped firing rockets. There were always stray rockets here and there, but Hamas would always claim they weren't responsible, and Israel would play along because they didn't want a war at that point.

Eventually it got to the point that Israel couldn't do that anymore, when the murder-grabs and barrages started. And then, of course, the murder-tunnels were discovered and the whole game was up.

None of that has anything to do with the US government actively sabotaging an Israeli investigation into the whereabouts of one of its soldiers, of course. Thank God Holder is gone.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Still, what's really astounding once one gets beyond the outrage is that there wasn't already an MLAT in place between the US and Israel.

[Velasco]

I'm not saying Obama is anti-Israel, anti-Zionist or anti-Semitic or that Hillary will be any of those things either, but it makes sense for Israel to understand that Big Daddy America clearly isn't a 100% reliable ally and produce more sh**t at home..

This hardly anything but just unsubstantial noise. The problem between Israel and the current US administration is the lack of decisiveness of the latter against the fait accompli policy executed by the Israel government on the key issue of the settlements, as well a generic lack of guts in order to push for a solution of the conflict. The US government is clearly biased towards Israel and tends to forgive or justify the questionable, to say the least, actions of his ally, which tends to abuse of the trust of "Big Daddy". Claiming otherwise sounds weird, honestly. Especially when Hilary is notoriously pro Israel and is not a serious threat for your beloved Bibi.

[Indy Texas]

I still don't understand why dead0mensch hasn't just up and moved there, since he seems to care more about Israel than he does this country.

[politicus]

The loyalty of the US government is towards Americans, not Likud, dead0man.

I still don't understand why dead0mensch hasn't just up and moved there, since he seems to care more about Israel than he does this country.

There is no conflict of interest between Israel and the American people here (which is what makes this case so strange).

IndyTexas: The bolded part is not okay.
 

[dead0man]

The loyalty of the US government is towards Americans, not Likud, dead0man.

There is no conflict of interest between Israel and the American people here (which is what makes this case so strange).

Indeed

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

The loyalty of the US government is towards Americans, not Likud, dead0man.

I still don't understand why dead0mensch hasn't just up and moved there, since he seems to care more about Israel than he does this country.

There is no conflict of interest between Israel and the American people here (which is what makes this case so strange).

IndyTexas: The bolded part is not okay.
 

Yeah, I usually respect IndyTexas, but that's way out of line.

Also, the "Why don't you just move there/leave" argument is awful regardless of the subject matter.

[Indy Texas]

Why should we do something that's going to irritate the Islamists who want to kill us when we have nothing to gain from doing so?

Why should we be 100% reliable when Israel most certainly isn't? They act in ways that embarrass us and contradict our interests in the region on a daily basis by continuing to colonize East Jerusalem and "Judaea and Samaria."

If they want to let a hundred rabid Mohammedans out of prison for sake of getting a dead body back, they're as crazy as everyone else over there is.

[Sbane]

This is very strange. The administration doesn't stand up to Israel where it should (settlements) but they won't even do this for them?

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

This is very strange. The administration doesn't stand up to Israel where it should (settlements) but they won't even do this for them?

They tried to "stand up to" Israel on settlements, with a massive diplomatic offensive in early 2010. A bipartisan coalition of Congressmen and Senators shut him down.

Without his own party supporting him on the issue, all Obama can do is engage in petty acts of sabotage like this.

[Sbane]

This is very strange. The administration doesn't stand up to Israel where it should (settlements) but they won't even do this for them?

They tried to "stand up to" Israel on settlements, with a massive diplomatic offensive in early 2010. A bipartisan coalition of Congressmen and Senators shut him down.

Without his own party supporting him on the issue, all Obama can do is engage in petty acts of sabotage like this.

Well, I suppose it's better than nothing. I would of course prefer the US stand up to Israel regarding settlements because in the end that is the only thing that will save Israel. Currently Israel is going down the road of destruction and friends like the US should be the one stopping them, not aiding and abetting their self-destructive behavior.

[Velasco]

They tried to "stand up to" Israel on settlements, with a massive diplomatic offensive in early 2010. A bipartisan coalition of Congressmen and Senators shut him down.

A bipartisan coalition representing certain lobbyists in Washington, I suppose. It's not that I think that an obstructionist Congress is an excuse for the cowardice of the administration, but it's not difficult to get an idea of how things work in certain levels.