Another Battle of Polar Opposites: The guys before the icons

[Mr. Smith]

In response to FDR vs Reagan, how about a battle of those very unfairly represented predecessors that came before either.

Both are were seen as failures of an ideology even though both actually dabbled a little bit in the coming trend trying to combat an economic fall, (Hoover did start some government programs and Carter bullied unions and deregulated a bit too much), both ended up being retired for 30 years and counting, both ended up having a well documented friendship with a president across the aisle (Hoover had Truman, Carter had Ford).

And most importantly and most notable, both had the most un-imperial, dovish foreign policies in the last century.


Although this isn't the landslide I would've thought even a year ago, Carter wins since he didn't campaign on any bigotry,whereas Hoover relied heavily on anti-Catholicism and he set forth two of the most important departments yet (Energy and Education), and finally he believed government had a good use other than to stay out.

Personal biases included Carter wins by a huge landslide,but I'm trying to leave that out for the most part.

[TNF]

I'll take None of the Above for $500, Alex.

[H. Ross Peron]

Carter easily

[TDAS04]

JC.

[Cory]

Carter easily

[Rockefeller GOP]

Herby Hoover.

[AggregateDemand]

Hoover was a more accomplished and more respectable person, but he was a deer in the headlights when the Great Depression started. Carter was slow to respond to stagflation, but he was not an inept economic operator.

[Bigby]

Carter is worse if you include my own personal bias, but Hoover is worse if you take that personal bias away.

[SWE]

The one who didn't support genocide in East Timor

[Mordecai]

Carter obviously, because his economic policies actually worked. It's just that he got kicked out of office before they could work.

Hoover's early policies arguably made the Depression worse.

Neither could be said to be bad, both were unfortunate victims of circumstance.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

I'll take None of the Above for $500, Alex.

[ElectionsGuy]

Carter easily

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[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Carter easily

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Carter has been made into a raging socialist and Hoover has been made into an objectivist.

[Deus Naturae]

Hoover hardly believed that the government should "stay out":

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Hoover did not "dabble" in economic interventionism - his response to the 1929 crash was by far the most aggressive response to any downturn in US history up to that point, and he laid the foundation for the New Deal with his program of massive public works spending, farm subsidies, wage controls, government loans, and tax hikes.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

When is "Truman vs. 41" coming up?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

When is "Truman vs. 41" coming up?

What an incisive and insightful question, Plutarch.

[Lambsbread]

I'll take None of the Above for $500, Alex.

But I voted Carter because fyck Hoover massively.

[Goldwater]

Lean Carter

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Hoover

[Mr. Smith]

Anyone who wants to put up "Truman vs 41" be my guest, but I'm staying out of that.

I am however gonna finish the "Top 5 Presidents as People" trilogy, this part does include Truman and Bush, but the aim for that is who they are as people first.