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« on: October 23, 2014, 06:17:28 PM »

http://thefederalist.com/2014/10/22/do-democrats-always-win-close-statewide-elections/

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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2014, 06:21:26 PM »

I can't think of any reason why this would be the case.  27 isn't that large of a sample size though, perhaps this could just be coincidence?
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2014, 06:22:41 PM »

I suppose you could look at it like this. Closer elections at state-national levels, tend to enthuse voters, leading to higher turnout and Democrats tend to do better in elections with higher turnout.
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2014, 06:24:47 PM »

I suppose you could look at it like this. Closer elections at state-national levels, tend to enthuse voters, leading to higher turnout and Democrats tend to do better in elections with higher turnout.

And this is not the case with elections decided by 1-2 percentage points?
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2014, 06:35:14 PM »

Probably a coincidence, but could be a result of a superior GOTV operation.

Also kinda arbitrary to cut it off at 1-point victory, rather than say, a 1.1-point victory, or a 0.8-point victory, either of which would make the D/R breakdown closer.
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2014, 06:35:47 PM »

Votes that are counted late tend to skew Democratic, meaning it's more likely Dems will keep a small lead/reverse a small Republican lead than the other way around. On election night, Obama only was winning the popular vote 50-49, but once everything was in it stretched to 51-47.
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2014, 06:39:23 PM »

Maybe there's something to the hypothesis, but this article's methodology is FUBAR.
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2014, 06:49:47 PM »

Well, Gore did actually win the 2000 election, but he narrowly "lost".
The 2005 Virginia Attorney General election was a very narrow Republican win.
Both of Senator Jim Bunning's elections were close, including a 0.5 point win.
Senator D'Amato is another Republican known for narrow wins.
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2014, 08:12:01 PM »

20 out of 27 is not always. Always has a specific meaning. Perhaps the word you were going for is usually?
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2014, 08:21:12 PM »
« Edited: October 23, 2014, 08:43:28 PM by NE Caretaker Griffin »

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Well, Al Gore won the PV and GWB stole the election.

I'm sure if there were some quirky mechanics in place at the state level (where voters preferenced their choice of candidate by ballot and then the legislature was "obligated" but not really to vote for that person), then the numbers would be a lot different.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2014, 08:53:08 PM »

I actually think Democrats win close elections in mostly urban areas, while Republicans win close elections in mostly rural areas.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2014, 08:54:09 PM »

I actually think Democrats win close elections in mostly urban areas, while Republicans win close elections in mostly rural areas.

I don't quite follow.
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2014, 08:58:24 PM »

I actually think Democrats win close elections in mostly urban areas, while Republicans win close elections in mostly rural areas.

I don't quite follow.

I think he means more rural states give an extra boost to the GOP candidates at the end, while urban states give Dem candidates a boost.
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2014, 05:54:09 PM »

No: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Virginia,_2000

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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2014, 06:01:24 PM »

Not always, but most of them, which seems to be the point of the article. I would chalk it up to the nature of states: There are more D+0-5 states than R+0-5 states so democrats naturally win more close statewide elections. It's the inverse of how neutrally-drawn districts favour republicans.
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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2014, 06:02:07 PM »


Exactly.

Why is this thread a thing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Georgia,_2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_special_election_in_Missouri,_2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_South_Dakota,_2004
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Florida,_2004
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Tennessee,_2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Georgia,_2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Illinois,_2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Nevada,_2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Arizona,_2012
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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2014, 07:45:31 PM »


Well, that's not what I'd call close...
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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2014, 08:22:27 PM »
« Edited: October 26, 2014, 08:28:58 PM by MormDem »

We would've had a Governor Feinstein back in 1990, the Bradley Effect wouldn't be a concept, and Pat Toomey and Ron Johnson wouldn't have seen the light of day.

So no.
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2014, 09:39:41 PM »


Add on Florida gov 2010, Florida Prez 2000, Maine Gov 2010, it could go on
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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2014, 09:47:22 PM »


Right. Did the 2002 Senate on, and was so sick of it I didn't do gubernatorial and presidential races.
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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2014, 09:26:04 PM »

Perhaps the Democrats win close elections because they get a majority of illegal votes from non citizens
"How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. "
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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2014, 09:30:29 PM »

"How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. "

That's impossible, because noncitizens can't vote.
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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2014, 09:32:59 PM »

Perhaps the Democrats win close elections because they get a majority of illegal votes from non citizens
"How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. "

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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2014, 09:57:24 PM »

"How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. "

That's impossible, because noncitizens can't vote.
Well they can't legally vote, but since anyone can register my mail to vote, anyone can vote.
The Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES) found that actually non-citizens register to vote, as indicated above, and they do vote.  Perhaps requiring valid photo IDs will reduce this fraud.
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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2014, 10:26:12 PM »

"How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. "

That's impossible, because noncitizens can't vote.
Well they can't legally vote, but since anyone can register my mail to vote, anyone can vote.
The Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES) found that actually non-citizens register to vote, as indicated above, and they do vote.  Perhaps requiring valid photo IDs will reduce this fraud.

Requirement of photo ID requires you to purchase one = poll tax.
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