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« on: October 24, 2014, 03:22:49 PM »
« edited: October 26, 2014, 11:35:47 AM by You kip if you want to... »

Johann Lamont standing down.

There was some talk of this during the summer.

Jim Murphy starts as the frontrunner. Anas Sarwar could also do well. Gordon Brown is being mentioned, but I can't see it happening...
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2014, 03:34:28 PM »

Ugh, I can't stand Murphy. One of those people who desperately want to be Blair, but can't quite pull it off.
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2014, 03:49:08 PM »
« Edited: October 24, 2014, 03:53:35 PM by politicus »

Is Johann a girls name in Scotland? The Wiki article mentions both her parents where Gaelic speakers, is it (also) a Gaelic name?

So Sarwars dad is a rich businessman with shady connections?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/aug/03/anas-sarwar-labour
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2014, 04:01:32 PM »

So Sarwars dad is a rich businessman with shady connections?

Alternatively he could be described as the Governor of Punjab.
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2014, 06:34:31 AM »
« Edited: October 25, 2014, 07:19:18 AM by You kip if you want to... »

All this talk of 'constant sniping' from 'MPs' and 'influences around Ed Miliband don't help' makes me wonder why people just won't name names.

Douglas Alexander. That's who they're all talking about surely.
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2014, 11:15:03 AM »

Careful what you believe when there's a factional fight going on.
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2014, 04:59:12 PM »

I can't see a Westminster MP going down at all well with the public.

The problem for Scottish Labour though is that all their MSPs are at best mediocrities.
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2014, 06:36:29 PM »

The problem for Scottish Labour though is that all their MSPs are at best mediocrities.

That's a massive part of the problem. For too long Labour has let the Holyrood team just look like the 'B Team' while all the ambitious, skilled politicians went to Westminster. This contrasts with the SNP where, obviously, all their skilled politicians sit in the parliament.

I think the referendum campaign has made many Westminster-based Scottish Labourers realise that politics north of the border isn't all that bad...
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2014, 05:42:23 PM »

I can't see a Westminster MP going down at all well with the public.

The problem for Scottish Labour though is that all their MSPs are at best mediocrities.

Who can stand? MSP's, MP's, MEP's, Cllrs? If an MP was elected Scottish Labour leader that would make matters worse.
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2014, 05:46:27 PM »
« Edited: October 26, 2014, 05:49:03 PM by You kip if you want to... »

I can't see a Westminster MP going down at all well with the public.

The problem for Scottish Labour though is that all their MSPs are at best mediocrities.

Who can stand? MSP's, MP's, MEP's, Cllrs? If an MP was elected Scottish Labour leader that would make matters worse.

You mean like Salmond when he took over the SNP in 2004?

And Anas Sarwar, would make an entirely acceptable leader, yet is still "only" an MP. The "they can't go with an MP, surely" view is entirely circumstantial. And if Gordon Brown steamrolled in as a candidate, I doubt many would raise an eyebrow about him not being an MSP.
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2014, 02:27:28 AM »

I can't see a Westminster MP going down at all well with the public.

The problem for Scottish Labour though is that all their MSPs are at best mediocrities.

Who can stand? MSP's, MP's, MEP's, Cllrs? If an MP was elected Scottish Labour leader that would make matters worse.
I think the rule is that they have to be an msp or seek election as one at the earliest opportunity. an mp could theoretically swap seats with an msp by triggering two byelections, but I f2fon't think anyone would go for that. imho- Gordon Brown's the only MP whoo could become leader without making matters worse
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2014, 07:16:01 AM »

Let's be blunt.

Whoever becomes Labour leader will, more than likely, lose in 2016. So it's an 18 month post at most...unless Labour accept that 2016 will not see them back in power in Scotland and therefore don't pressure their leader to stand down in the event of a defeat. That does however mean waiting till 2020. If not, then if Skeletor wishes to run, then that means bailing from East Renfrewshire in 2015 and hoping to be elected at Holyrood the next year (probably in Hugh Henry's old seat) only to sit there like a dead duck.

The only sensible choice, if Labour want to start rebuilding is to elect someone like Elaine Murray or Jenny Marra and in time for the 2016 election, parachute in competent candidates to run who can then take over in 2016.
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2014, 01:32:27 PM »

Sarah Boyack (list MSP for the Lothians, formerly MSP for Edinburgh Central) has announced that she intends to run.
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2014, 02:15:37 PM »

Sarah Boyack (list MSP for the Lothians, formerly MSP for Edinburgh Central) has announced that she intends to run.

Quite an interesting development. One of the remnants of Dewar's original team she was the only constituency MSP for Labour allowed to stand on the list prior to the rule change which ultimately saved her. The chorus 'oh get Jim Murphy' is almost entirely from outside of the MSP Labour group (who generally can't stand him) and while Boyack is no left winger per say, she's a safe pair of hands and by no means a careerist.
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2014, 02:50:04 PM »

Would Murphy have the D.Mili problem of the MSP group generally not liking him all that much and the unions loathing him?
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2014, 04:45:58 PM »
« Edited: October 28, 2014, 04:48:33 PM by Andrea »

Sarah Boyack (list MSP for the Lothians, formerly MSP for Edinburgh Central) has announced that she intends to run.

Quite an interesting development. One of the remnants of Dewar's original team she was the only constituency MSP for Labour allowed to stand on the list prior to the rule change which ultimately saved her.

Elaine Murray and Lewis McDonald also stood both in constituencies and list section. McIntosh too had the chance but declined to do so. The logic was  that boundary changes switched their constituency to not Labour held.
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2014, 08:04:11 PM »

Jim Murphy is in. And so is Neil Findlay who is obviously running as a Left candidate.
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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2014, 04:01:44 PM »

Anas Sarwar, the Deputy leader has resigned during a fundraising dinner.
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2014, 08:18:40 PM »

Anas Sarwar, the Deputy leader has resigned during a fundraising dinner.

As deputy leader or as MP?
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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2014, 08:30:16 PM »

As Deputy Leader. Makes things easier for Murphy.
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2014, 11:54:44 AM »

Murphy and Findlay will both be on the ballot, Boyack ain't there yet. Findlay getting Left nominations and already a significant amount of TU support.
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2014, 07:56:21 PM »

From Guardian:

"She (Boyack) is expected to stand as a unity, centre-ground candidate in what is emerging as a three-way contest between her, Jim Murphy, the Blairite shadow international development secretary seen as on the right of the party, and Neil Finday, currently education spokesman at Holyrood, a leftwing trade unionist and Campaign for Socialism activist."

Is Boyack right in the middle or closer to one of the sides?






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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2014, 08:41:49 AM »

Murphy and Findlay will both be on the ballot, Boyack ain't there yet. Findlay getting Left nominations and already a significant amount of TU support.

Sunday update: Boyack still at 7 noms.
For Debuty race, Dugbale has already the requiered number of noms. Clark is at 5 (4 MPs and 1 MSP)
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« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2014, 01:33:57 PM »

So Sarwars dad is a rich businessman with shady connections?

Alternatively he could be described as the Governor of Punjab.

The Scots, after all, were the most enthusiastic supporters of the Empire.
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« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2014, 06:01:44 PM »

Bold prediction, Jim Murphy won't win this.
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