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« on: October 26, 2014, 06:35:02 PM »

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2014/10/26/charlie-baker-for-governor/r4Yymw55jVr20D53EhUIkK/story.html

This is basically a hell-freezes-over moment; the Globe is somewhat to the left of its former owner, the New York Times.
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2014, 06:36:41 PM »
« Edited: October 26, 2014, 06:45:07 PM by New Canadaland »

Poor Coakley Sad Sad Sad It's not like she'd hurt the state as governor, she just can't campaign.
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2014, 06:44:08 PM »

What a joke of a state. Matthew Coakley (D) would be sailing to an easy victory right now.
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2014, 06:51:30 PM »

WOW!

This is an incredible moment, I never thought I would see the day!

Adios Coakley!
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2014, 06:54:58 PM »

What a joke of a state. Matthew Coakley (D) would be sailing to an easy victory right now.

Good thing Ebenezer Warren (D) defeated Scarlet Brown (R).

Obama did lose to Clinton in the primary. Is racism at hand?
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2014, 06:56:06 PM »
« Edited: October 26, 2014, 06:58:16 PM by Senator Polnut »

Yikes.

MA Dems - you f'ed up BAD.

Although I love the tepid nature of the endorsement... because Baker could be overuled on everything, he'll have no choice and won't be able to Govern as a Republican.
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2014, 07:12:52 PM »

Has the Globe ever endorsed a republican before?
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2014, 07:15:34 PM »

Has the Globe ever endorsed a republican before?

Tisei in '12, Weld '94.
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2014, 07:16:42 PM »


I don't think I can call this a tossup anymore if the Boston Globe is endorsing Baker.
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2014, 07:18:18 PM »

RIP Coakley
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2014, 07:18:50 PM »

So Coakley is joining the ranks of a sacrificial lamb and a crook?
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2014, 07:18:54 PM »
« Edited: October 26, 2014, 07:28:00 PM by wormyguy »

Has the Globe ever endorsed a republican before?

That I know of, they've endorsed both of Suzanne Bump's opponents for Auditor, this year and in 2010, but Bump is quite conservative for a Democrat (the Herald endorsed her this year; another hell-freezes-over moment, the Herald backing the Dem and the Globe the GOPher) and also arguably unqualified (she isn't a CPA). They also endorsed Richard Tisei over John Tierney (who had a major scandal) in 2012, and endorsed Bill Weld both times he ran for governor in 1990 and 1994 (in 1990 the Democrat was an extreme right-winger, in 1994 Weld won over 70% of the vote, carrying a majority of Democrats and the City of Boston, along with nearly every other municipality in the state).
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2014, 07:27:20 PM »

This might explain why the Globe's polling has consistently been more pro-Baker than the consensus.

Newspaper endorsements don't decide votes, but they do provide a momentum boost, and that's the last thing Coakley needs right now. This could be her campaign's death knell.
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2014, 07:31:17 PM »

This might explain why the Globe's polling has consistently been more pro-Baker than the consensus.

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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2014, 07:34:37 PM »

This might explain why the Globe's polling has consistently been more pro-Baker than the consensus.



Not really? It's just a fact. Look it up yourself.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/governor/ma/massachusetts_governor_baker_vs_coakley-3266.html
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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2014, 07:39:54 PM »
« Edited: October 26, 2014, 07:41:49 PM by wormyguy »

Lol, far from me to avoid casting aspersions on the Globe, but they don't juice their polling to favor their preferred candidate (they actually were way off overestimating Coakley's vote in the primary and underestimating that of Steve Grossman, whom they endorsed). Also, their pollster is the same one Politico uses. And, I strongly suspect that their decision to endorse Baker was made this week, because their coverage of the race thus far (even up to this very day) has been generally hostile towards Baker, if lukewarm to Coakley. I'd say they're endorsing Baker because of what their tracking poll is saying, not the other way around.
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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2014, 07:42:41 PM »

Don't Republicans usually insist that newspaper endorsements mean nothing? Some consistency would be nice.
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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2014, 07:44:56 PM »

Lol, far from me to avoid casting aspersions on the Globe, but they don't juice their polling to favor their preferred candidate (they actually were way off overestimating Coakley's vote in the primary and underestimating that of Steve Grossman, whom they endorsed). Also, their pollster is the same one Politico uses. And, I strongly suspect that their decision to endorse Baker was made this week, because their coverage of the race thus far (even up to this very day) has been generally hostile towards Baker, if lukewarm to Coakley. I'd say they're endorsing Baker because of what their tracking poll is saying, not the other way around.

So you think they're endorsing him just to jump on the winning bandwagon? What would be the point of that?
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2014, 07:46:56 PM »

Don't Republicans usually insist that newspaper endorsements mean nothing? Some consistency would be nice.

They don't usually, but it is an indicator of where a race is going (and if it's a big newspaper that endorses someone unexpectedly). If a usually Republican newspaper endorsed a Democrat, wouldn't that be a big deal? Same goes with this race, especially a newspaper as well known as the Boston Globe.
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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2014, 07:51:08 PM »
« Edited: October 26, 2014, 08:05:34 PM by Branden Cordeiro »


I don't think I can call this a tossup anymore if the Boston Globe is endorsing Baker.

Don't underestimate the Democrats' GOTV machine in Massachusetts.
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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2014, 07:55:18 PM »


I don't think I can call this a tossup anymore if the Boston Globe is endorsing Baker.

Don't underestimate the Democrats' GOTV machine in Massachusetts.



It's true. Suzanne Bump still won the Auditor job in 2010 without the Boston Globe's endorsement.
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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2014, 08:03:48 PM »

So you think they're endorsing him just to jump on the winning bandwagon? What would be the point of that?

Their reasoning, I suspect, is that Coakley has proven herself to be such a weak candidate that they're worried she'd lose reelection in 2018, potentially to someone quite a bit more conservative than Baker is. So they think it's better to cut their losses and endorse Baker, then (if he's elected) his opponent in 2018. Same reason they endorsed Tisei over Tierney in 2012, pretty much.


Don't underestimate the Democrats' GOTV machine in Massachusetts.



It's true. Suzanne Bump still won the Auditor job in 2010 without the Boston Globe's endorsement.

And Tierney over Tisei in 2012, obviously. But everything I've heard suggests that the MA Dem machine is mostly sitting this one out.
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2014, 08:10:04 PM »

So you think they're endorsing him just to jump on the winning bandwagon? What would be the point of that?

Their reasoning, I suspect, is that Coakley has proven herself to be such a weak candidate that they're worried she'd lose reelection in 2018, potentially to someone quite a bit more conservative than Baker is. So they think it's better to cut their losses and endorse Baker, then (if he's elected) his opponent in 2018. Same reason they endorsed Tisei over Tierney in 2012, pretty much.


Don't underestimate the Democrats' GOTV machine in Massachusetts.



It's true. Suzanne Bump still won the Auditor job in 2010 without the Boston Globe's endorsement.

And Tierney over Tisei in 2012, obviously. But everything I've heard suggests that the MA Dem machine is mostly sitting this one out.
If that's true, Coakley will have a rough night, and that will be realized early.

The only region of the state that Coakley is looking good in right now is the Berkshires, and that's a very low percentage of the overall vote. She could see 2010 numbers if the Dem machine is sitting this one out.
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2014, 08:11:54 PM »

So five years later and the machine still prefers a Pub over Coakley?

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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2014, 08:14:36 PM »

But everything I've heard suggests that the MA Dem machine is mostly sitting this one out.

If true, it seems there's some merit to the sexism theory. Didn't the Dem machine take a while to come around to Warren as well? I know Menino certainly took his time endorsing her.
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