Office of Governor Sawx - Come One, Come All (SPECIAL ELECTION AHOY)

[Talleyrand]

The socialist avatar from Maine was a few minutes after the ballot closed.

The socialis vote: « Reply #32 on: July 12, 2015, 11:08:06 pm »
According to you: This booth will open on July 9 at 23:59:59 EST and close on July 12 at 23:59:59 EST - voting before this time will invalidate your ballot.

So are you sure???

He did open the voting booth 2 minutes after the stating opening time, but the issue is even if you account for that, the socialist avatar missed the 72 hour deadline by 6 minutes so he's invalid. Regardless, it might be good to have a court case to settle the issue about the NE Clarity Act. I do think Sawx has done the best job possible in these circumstances though, and he should be commended for that.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

I do think Sawx has done the best job possible in these circumstances though, and he should be commended for that.

absolutely. navigating through atlasian electoral statutes can be pretty tricky

[Blair]

so if socialist avatar's vote is invalid what next?

[Adam Griffin]

I alluded to this before, but the booth was open from 1:00 AM to 1:00 AM based on the wording of the booth (EST, not EDT). The federal elections use the same concept (EST) and that's why they close at 1 AM between March and October, and 12 AM between November and February. 84285's vote was cast within the stated window of the election. Sawx also technically attempted to close the booth before its proper closing time.

[cinyc]

I alluded to this before, but the booth was open from 1:00 AM to 1:00 AM based on the wording of the booth (EST, not EDT). The federal elections use the same concept (EST) and that's why they close at 1 AM between March and October, and 12 AM between November and February. 84285's vote was cast within the stated window of the election. Sawx also technically attempted to close the booth before its proper closing time.

The Northeast has been holding elections from midnight to midnight EDT during the summer for years, despite what the voting booths and constitution say about using EST.   So did the feds, at least until recently.  This is something that I asked to be addressed in the proposed constitutional amendment that the Assembly just passed, but wasn't.

[Adam Griffin]

I alluded to this before, but the booth was open from 1:00 AM to 1:00 AM based on the wording of the booth (EST, not EDT). The federal elections use the same concept (EST) and that's why they close at 1 AM between March and October, and 12 AM between November and February. 84285's vote was cast within the stated window of the election. Sawx also technically attempted to close the booth before its proper closing time.

The Northeast has been holding elections from midnight to midnight EDT during the summer for years, despite what the voting booths and constitution say about using EST.   So did the feds, at least until recently.  This is something that I asked to be addressed in the proposed constitutional amendment that the Assembly just passed, but wasn't.

I definitely recall elections in 2013 being held on the midnight to midnight schedule; how long has this conflict existed? Nevertheless, I merely evaluated what and when the voting booth stated in terms of when it was to open and when it was to close, which stated 00:59:59 AM to 00:59:59 AM EDT. You're saying the NE Constitution says that voting begins at 1:00 AM EDT/12:00 AM EST?

I was initially under the impression that other than the method of selecting a Senator, that each region had to adhere to the same election standards as federal elections. This is a special, so perhaps that complicates things. Everybody else seems to be suggesting that regional laws and precedence applies, however. In that case (and if I recall correctly), only regulations on voting that are more restrictive than the federal regulations would be considered invalid (in essence, they'd be unconstitutional and inevitably struck down by the court if they were attempted to be enforced).

This would mean that based on precedence of how/if votes are counted, Talleyrand's vote is valid (also, it could be argued from the restrictive element in this case, as someone has a 7-day window to vote in an election in a region in which they no longer live versus a 0-day window). It would also mean that Peeperkorn, Pessimistic Antineutrino and 84285's votes are all valid (because there are no regional restrictions to my knowledge on the number of posts or amount of activity a voter needs to vote in NE elections).

[cinyc]

I alluded to this before, but the booth was open from 1:00 AM to 1:00 AM based on the wording of the booth (EST, not EDT). The federal elections use the same concept (EST) and that's why they close at 1 AM between March and October, and 12 AM between November and February. 84285's vote was cast within the stated window of the election. Sawx also technically attempted to close the booth before its proper closing time.

The Northeast has been holding elections from midnight to midnight EDT during the summer for years, despite what the voting booths and constitution say about using EST.   So did the feds, at least until recently.  This is something that I asked to be addressed in the proposed constitutional amendment that the Assembly just passed, but wasn't.

I definitely recall elections in 2013 being held on the midnight to midnight schedule; how long has this conflict existed? Nevertheless, I merely evaluated what and when the voting booth stated in terms of when it was to open and when it was to close, which stated 00:59:59 AM to 00:59:59 AM EDT. You're saying the NE Constitution says that voting begins at 1:00 AM EDT/12:00 AM EST?

I was initially under the impression that other than the method of selecting a Senator, that each region had to adhere to the same election standards as federal elections. This is a special, so perhaps that complicates things. Everybody else seems to be suggesting that regional laws and precedence applies, however. In that case (and if I recall correctly), only regulations on voting that are more restrictive than the federal regulations would be considered invalid (in essence, they'd be unconstitutional and inevitably struck down by the court if they were attempted to be enforced).

This would mean that based on precedence of how/if votes are counted, Talleyrand's vote is valid (also, it could be argued from the restrictive element in this case, as someone has a 7-day window to vote in an election in a region in which they no longer live versus a 0-day window). It would also mean that Peeperkorn, Pessimistic Antineutrino and 84285's votes are all valid (because there are no regional restrictions to my knowledge on the number of posts or amount of activity a voter needs to vote in NE elections).

The time prescribed in the Northeast Constitution for holding regularly scheduled Northeast regional elections deliberately largely mirrors the Atlasian constitution.  (The new proposed amendment changes that, and I am opposed to it).  So, in theory, we should be holding regularly-scheduled Assembly elections from Midnight to Midnight Eastern Standard Time, i.e. 1AM in the summer.  I'm not aware of any specific time frame in the Northeast Constitution for holding special elections, though I'd have to look.  I also don't want to comment too much further in case I get confirmed as CJO and have to hear a case.

I will say that there was a federal case against the South which struck down activity requirements for local elections that were different than the federal standard.  What that would mean in this case is subject to debate, I suppose.

[Adam Griffin]

I alluded to this before, but the booth was open from 1:00 AM to 1:00 AM based on the wording of the booth (EST, not EDT). The federal elections use the same concept (EST) and that's why they close at 1 AM between March and October, and 12 AM between November and February. 84285's vote was cast within the stated window of the election. Sawx also technically attempted to close the booth before its proper closing time.

The Northeast has been holding elections from midnight to midnight EDT during the summer for years, despite what the voting booths and constitution say about using EST.   So did the feds, at least until recently.  This is something that I asked to be addressed in the proposed constitutional amendment that the Assembly just passed, but wasn't.

I definitely recall elections in 2013 being held on the midnight to midnight schedule; how long has this conflict existed? Nevertheless, I merely evaluated what and when the voting booth stated in terms of when it was to open and when it was to close, which stated 00:59:59 AM to 00:59:59 AM EDT. You're saying the NE Constitution says that voting begins at 1:00 AM EDT/12:00 AM EST?

I was initially under the impression that other than the method of selecting a Senator, that each region had to adhere to the same election standards as federal elections. This is a special, so perhaps that complicates things. Everybody else seems to be suggesting that regional laws and precedence applies, however. In that case (and if I recall correctly), only regulations on voting that are more restrictive than the federal regulations would be considered invalid (in essence, they'd be unconstitutional and inevitably struck down by the court if they were attempted to be enforced).

This would mean that based on precedence of how/if votes are counted, Talleyrand's vote is valid (also, it could be argued from the restrictive element in this case, as someone has a 7-day window to vote in an election in a region in which they no longer live versus a 0-day window). It would also mean that Peeperkorn, Pessimistic Antineutrino and 84285's votes are all valid (because there are no regional restrictions to my knowledge on the number of posts or amount of activity a voter needs to vote in NE elections).

The time prescribed in the Northeast Constitution for holding regularly scheduled Northeast regional elections deliberately mirrors the Atlasian constitution.  (The new proposed amendment changes that, and I am opposed to it).  So, in theory, we should be holding regularly-scheduled Assembly elections from Midnight to Midnight Eastern Standard Time, i.e. 1AM in the summer.  I'm not aware of any specific time frame in the Northeast Constitution for holding special elections, though I'd have to look.  I also don't want to comment too much further in case I get confirmed as CJO and have to hear a case.

I will say that there was a federal case against the South which struck down activity requirements for local elections that were different than the federal standard.  What that would mean in this case is subject to debate, I suppose.

Yes, that is to what I was referring with regards to the "regional laws can't be stricter than the federal government's" thing. It's happened at least once - maybe twice - and both involved the South: once with the South's requirement to have 50 posts, and then more recently with some other legislation I believe was passed (though there might not have been a case about the latter one). I also seem to recall seeing something more specific in terms of a ruling from the SC from long ago that said what I referred to in the first sentence (it may have been in the opinion regarding the aforementioned case against the South).

[rpryor03]

I used EDT for all NE elections during DST, I think.

[Classic Conservative]

So did Rpryor win or what??

[Prince of Salem]

So did Rpryor win or what??

Yes he did

[Classic Conservative]

So did Rpryor win or what??

Yes he did

Yes!!!

[Poirot]

Should there be a voting booth opened for a special assembly election? I think there is only one declared candidate but I don't see one.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Should there be a voting booth opened for a special assembly election? I think there is only one declared candidate but I don't see one.

yeah but sawx is currently (temp-)banned and we're currently confirming the cjo. looks like pikachu is next in line, i'll pm him

[DKrol]

Should there be a voting booth opened for a special assembly election? I think there is only one declared candidate but I don't see one.

yeah but sawx is currently (temp-)banned and we're currently confirming the cjo. looks like pikachu is next in line, i'll pm him

Woah what

[Adam Griffin]

As Registrar General, I hereby inform you that the Governor of the Northeast is no longer a registered voter in Atlasia.

[SWE]

Should there be a voting booth opened for a special assembly election? I think there is only one declared candidate but I don't see one.

yeah but sawx is currently (temp-)banned and we're currently confirming the cjo. looks like pikachu is next in line, i'll pm him

Woah what

He was outed as a Hamilton sock, yeah

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Should there be a voting booth opened for a special assembly election? I think there is only one declared candidate but I don't see one.

yeah but sawx is currently (temp-)banned and we're currently confirming the cjo. looks like pikachu is next in line, i'll pm him

Woah what

He was outed as a Hamilton sock, yeah

you're joking

[Classic Conservative]

Another one wow.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

WTF?!!!!!!!!!!

[Simfan34]

That's impossible, Sawx is a real person.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Should there be a voting booth opened for a special assembly election? I think there is only one declared candidate but I don't see one.

yeah but sawx is currently (temp-)banned and we're currently confirming the cjo. looks like pikachu is next in line, i'll pm him

Woah what

He was outed as a Hamilton sock, yeah

you're joking

Wasn't he just made a moderator?

[Blair]

Atlasia is getting intereresting

[Prince of Salem]

That's impossible, Sawx is a real person.

[Adam Griffin]

Sawx was banned for unrelated reasons. Sawx is a real person. Sawx is not a Hamilton sock. This is a joke that started in chat last night, that spread to AAD, and eventually got spread here. Carry on.