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« on: October 28, 2014, 05:20:27 AM »

Found a very strange article, comparing the things Obama is doing with Ebola to what Reagan did with AIDS.
(tried to post a link, but they say I have to have at least 20 posts to make it. So maybe later)
Okay, perhaps there would be fewer troubles if Reagan paid more attention to the problem quite at the moment it appeared, but that time no one knew what kind of disaster AIDS would turn into! And Ebola virus exists for almost half a century already, but no one paid attention to it until recently.
Of course there are absolutely no real problems here, and the most important thing our president can do is just to hug an infected person!
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2014, 05:23:37 AM »

Ebola presents no risk to developed nations whatsoever.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 05:40:35 AM »

Ebola presents no risk to developed nations whatsoever.
True and neither is AIDS....and ebola is easier to get on accident.

(I'm not saying Obama has dropped the ball on ebola)
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2014, 06:36:37 AM »

Ebola presents no risk to developed nations whatsoever.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2014, 07:00:56 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2014, 07:06:40 AM »
« Edited: October 28, 2014, 07:08:22 AM by Gravis Marketing »

With AIDS, it had already become a major disaster for gays in the U.S. by the early 80s, but at that time we weren't considered relevant victims for "real" Americans. Reagan didn't mention AIDS until 1986, I think, which was several years into the epidemic.

Reagan's response to Legionnaire's Disease demonstrated the government could move swiftly and loudly on a public health scare, even a trivial one, if the victims were significant.

Dems weren't much better than Reagan at the time. The hero was C. Everett Koop, a conservative Reagan appointee for Surgeon General who stepped up and did his job.
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2014, 10:03:17 AM »

With AIDS, it had already become a major disaster for gays in the U.S. by the early 80s, but at that time we weren't considered relevant victims for "real" Americans.
Looks like Deadman still feels that way. And it wasn't only gays. IV drug users and hemophiliacs were also wiped out by the thousands.
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2014, 10:19:15 AM »

Hooray!
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2014, 10:26:59 AM »

Remember when swine flu was going to wipe out America?
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2014, 11:00:52 AM »

Remember when swine flu was going to wipe out America?
lol yes. Dark days those were.
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2014, 11:19:12 AM »

Don't forget the SARS. It even had a scary AIDSesque name. Oh noez!
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2014, 11:32:15 AM »

Ebola presents no risk to developed nations whatsoever.
"Ebola's just a wise plot made by the authorities..." or any other conspiracy theory can be partly true! Cause everybody know there were no white man, who died of the ebola virus. It's just the way to kill the black people and decrease the world population!
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2014, 12:00:09 PM »

Antonio V does make a convincing case for this conspiracy.
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2014, 12:22:49 PM »

This is an article about moral equivalency as it pertains to politics, not public health. Therefore, people are supposed to let Obama off the hook or condemn Reagan, not imagine that diseases don't matter.

It's laughable the number of red avatars who are actually rallying to defense of Reagan by discounting the threat posed by ebola. Dangerously ignorant people who can't even understand the implications of articles written by their own pundits.
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2014, 06:24:15 PM »

With AIDS, it had already become a major disaster for gays in the U.S. by the early 80s, but at that time we weren't considered relevant victims for "real" Americans.
Looks like Deadman still feels that way. And it wasn't only gays. IV drug users and hemophiliacs were also wiped out by the thousands.
WHAT?
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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2014, 10:27:51 AM »


To the extent that is true, it's only because it is being treated as though it is one.
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2014, 10:38:57 AM »

With AIDS, it had already become a major disaster for gays in the U.S. by the early 80s, but at that time we weren't considered relevant victims for "real" Americans.
Looks like Deadman still feels that way. And it wasn't only gays. IV drug users and hemophiliacs were also wiped out by the thousands.
WHAT?

I don't know exactly how a "threat" is defined.  No disease is an existential threat, but whatever happens with ebola, HIV will infect orders of magnitude more than ebola.  I think around one million Americans are HIV positive.  So, it's at least strange to equate HIV to ebola.
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2014, 10:40:34 AM »


To the extent that is true, it's only because it is being treated as though it is one.


No, the big difference is that the US has the facilities and infrastructure to deal with it. You think in Africa the problem is simply that they're not treating ebola like it's a big deal?
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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2014, 01:38:18 PM »

Remember when swine flu was going to wipe out America?

I remember being detained in Tokyo and again in Shanghai during that episode.  All flights originating from the US or Mexico were treated with caution.  One a flight I took, and all passengers were subjected to interviews and infrared body scans by folks dressed to avoid all human contact.  We sat on the plane for almost two hours at Narita airport before they let us off.  Later, in China, I was required to wear a mask if I went outside my rooms for the first four days of my visit.  It was a condition of my remaining in the country.  I felt silly with the thing on. 

The authorities in the densely populated countries in the world were swift and decisive, but I don't ever remember the US authorities over-reacting.  I don't think we're over-reacting to Ebola either. 

To the OP, such articles are always fashionable.  This is one.  It's silly.  Reagan is Reagan, and Obama is Obama.  Also, HIV and Ebola are different beasts.  The comparison isn't necessary, but it's the sort of thing we expect.  Remember when Saddam was the next Hitler?  Remember the polls on this very forum asking whether he'd be remembered so infamously?  Ten years on we still don't have a Godwin's Rule for the Baath party, do we?  Of course we don't.  People are always looking for historical parallels because it feeds the sensationalism.
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2014, 01:54:42 PM »

Remember when swine flu was going to wipe out America?

When I got the swine flu I had non-stop vomiting for two weeks, I had hallucinations, and my fever got up to 104. It was not a fun experience.

At one point I had to be hospitalized because the symptoms were so bad.
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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2014, 09:16:22 PM »


To the extent that is true, it's only because it is being treated as though it is one.


No, the big difference is that the US has the facilities and infrastructure to deal with it. You think in Africa the problem is simply that they're not treating ebola like it's a big deal?

I imagine if the official stance of an African government was "there's no risk of Ebola in our nation" the risk would thus become significantly worse there. Meanwhile our facilities and infrastructure could be perfect but if medical and public health professionals were to treat it as though the risk is nonexistent, that infrastructure would be useless against it except by accident.
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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2014, 09:25:10 PM »

Ebola did 9/11.
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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2014, 06:31:51 AM »

This is an article about moral equivalency as it pertains to politics, not public health. Therefore, people are supposed to let Obama off the hook or condemn Reagan, not imagine that diseases don't matter.

It's laughable the number of red avatars who are actually rallying to defense of Reagan by discounting the threat posed by ebola. Dangerously ignorant people who can't even understand the implications of articles written by their own pundits.
You know, everything that comes to us from the media has some political background. It's just about logic!
Everybody seems ignorant to somebody smarter, it's also clear!
Strange thing is that nonetheless Reagan ignored AIDS and caused this country lots of troubles, people still love him, cause he gave them hope and love to their motherland. There were no such thing as the American patriots before (at least it was not that common)
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