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Question: Would you vote yes or no on this ballot measure?
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« on: October 29, 2014, 04:51:30 PM »

Description: Reduces the classification of most nonviolent crimes from a felony to a misdemeanor. Full Details

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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2014, 05:26:53 PM »

I can't think of a single reason to vote No.
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2014, 05:47:42 PM »
« Edited: October 29, 2014, 11:28:52 PM by AggregateDemand »

The libertarian in me says "yes". Stop prosecuting felonies for non-violent petty crimes.

The libertarian in me says "no". Theft of a $250 computer or smart phone is enough to deny a lower-class citizen from economic participation, and the offender should receive felony penalties. Poor people can't work their way out of poverty, if we don't protect their property.

Not sure. Raising Grand theft to $950 is not pragmatic libertarianism. It's just soft on crime.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2014, 09:27:59 PM »

I can't think of a single reason to vote No.

Dianne Feinstein can.
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2014, 09:34:09 PM »

Tough, but "No" because I can't support making fraud and illegal drug use a misdemeanor.
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2014, 10:46:39 PM »

Tough, but "No" because I can't support making fraud and illegal drug use a misdemeanor.

It did say "most" and not "all." Fraud still has a victim, even if said victim is only financially hurt and not physically hurt.

Anyway, I voted yes.
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2014, 11:58:39 PM »

I can't think of a single reason to vote No.
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2014, 12:30:46 AM »

Tough, but "No" because I can't support making fraud and illegal drug use a misdemeanor.

It did say "most" and not "all." Fraud still has a victim, even if said victim is only financially hurt and not physically hurt.

Anyway, I voted yes.

This affects more than just victimless crimes.  The opponents argue that things like stealing a gun or snatching a purse would be made into misdemeanors when they should be felonies.  I do have some reservations about this, but on balance it would provide some much needed sentencing reform so I'll go for Yes.
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2014, 01:25:24 AM »


I'm definitely not regretting my abstaining in the November 2012 Senate election.  Top two deprived me of a non horrible choice.
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2014, 06:05:33 AM »

Yes
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2014, 08:52:08 AM »

Yes (not terrible etc.)


Tough, but "No" because I can't support making fraud and illegal drug use a misdemeanor.

Why? Considering tossing people in jail for drug use does nothing but fuel their use, I don't see why it should even be illegal, let alone a felony.
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2014, 09:42:56 AM »

This affects more than just victimless crimes.  The opponents argue that things like stealing a gun or snatching a purse would be made into misdemeanors when they should be felonies.  I do have some reservations about this, but on balance it would provide some much needed sentencing reform so I'll go for Yes.

Guns are excluded according to the Prop 47 site. If you steal a gun or receive a stolen gun, you're charged with a felony. If you have a history of violent crime or gun theft/receipt, I think you're also excluded from misdemeanor treatment, but I wonder if every court will do due diligence with equal competence.

I agree with you on purse snatching and property theft. If someone steals a freshly cashed $900 paycheck from a lower-class person, it should be a felony conviction without question. The only way to protect the poor is to keep the felony property laws extremely low or to raise the misdemeanor penalties until they almost mimic a felony, without the felony stigma.
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