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« Reply #150 on: January 21, 2015, 03:36:14 AM »
« edited: January 21, 2015, 03:47:24 AM by Charlotte Hebdo »

It looks like PF is solidly ahead in the Copperbelt after all. In that case they almost certainly win:

http://www.lusakatimes.com/2015/01/21/hh-headed-defeat-copperbelt-province/

According to Zambian Economist (which is among the more unbiased media) the picture is:

PF has won decisively in Muchinga, Luapula, Northern, Copperbelt, Lusaka and Eastern provinces.

UPND has won decisively in Southern Province, Western and North Western.

Central province is split almos evenly.

Due to the heavy rain turnout has been very low and ranged between 30% and 40%. Turnout  has been higher in urban areas than rural areas (which is bad for UPND with their appeal to farmers).  Copperbelt it has been around 38%, whereas the UPND stronghold in Southern was around 30%.

The areas yet to vote are in Eastern Province and Western Province and likely irrelevant if this is the picture.
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« Reply #151 on: January 21, 2015, 04:15:44 AM »
« Edited: January 21, 2015, 04:24:11 AM by Charlotte Hebdo »

According to opposition site Zambia Watchdog a parallel vote tabulation done by Transparency International Zambia shows:

Hakainde Hichilema 893 411
Edger Lungu  712 343
Nevers Mumba 37 535

Organizations doing alternative vote counts are not allowed to publish them before the official results are published, so it is based on a leak, but if it is in fact the TIZ count there will be trouble.

ECZ are "currently updating their results", so nothing there at the moment, but here is the link:

http://www.elections.org.zm/results/2015_presidential_election

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« Reply #152 on: January 21, 2015, 07:00:30 AM »
« Edited: January 21, 2015, 07:04:13 AM by Charlotte Hebdo »

Result for 18 constituencies with 430 000 registered voters

Turnout 33,3%

Lungu 92 000
Hichilema 44 900
Mumba 2 000
Nawakwi 1 100

They include 6 out of the 22 Copperbelt constituencies with 222 700 registered voters, so more than half of this result is from the Copperbelt.

Turnout was 33,7% in these.
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« Reply #153 on: January 21, 2015, 07:30:15 AM »

There are around 5 mio. registered voters in Zambia, so less than 10% counted.

Turnout will be much lower than the 54% in 2011 due to heavy rain and uinspiring candidates.
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« Reply #154 on: January 21, 2015, 07:47:02 AM »
« Edited: January 21, 2015, 08:31:14 AM by Charlotte Hebdo »

ECZ has suspended the announcement of results to avoid influencing voters in the polling stations where voting is still going on. There are only 21 337 registered voters in these districts.

Guy Scott has on request from ECZ ordered Zambia Air Force to give UPND flying rights to allow them to transport monitors to the places that are voting today.

The chairman of ECZ says they have faced unprecedented challenges due to the weather and gave an example of Mitete in Western Province where they are using boats and oxcats to transport election materials.

All results are already announced at the polling centres and ECZ says people and organizations are free to tabulate "but should not speculate false results to avoid confusion" (which everybody of course will anyway...).  

Next press briefing will be at 17 PM today, but the announcement of results will not resume until tomorrow at 10 AM. Since ECZ will continue to receive and tabulate results as they come in the Thursday 10 AM announcement should be a 99%+ result.
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« Reply #155 on: January 21, 2015, 12:26:54 PM »
« Edited: January 21, 2015, 12:29:07 PM by Charlotte Hebdo »

Transparancy International Zambia has published their results from the 60 out of 150 constituencies counted so far by them on their webpage:

http://www.tizambia.org.zm/?page_id=1037

Total Valid votes cast – 851,818



So Lungu 55% vs. Hichilema 41%

No info on what constituencies are included, but it looks like a done deal.

Also proves the ZW version of TIZ numbers from this morning were fictional.
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« Reply #156 on: January 21, 2015, 12:34:59 PM »
« Edited: January 21, 2015, 12:48:59 PM by Charlotte Hebdo »

The SADC Council of NGOs election observation mission calls the election credible and notes that the polling day was peaceful and people cast their votes without coercion, undue influence or intimidation. Still, it is the counting of the votes that has been questioned, not the process itself.

There were 140 polling stations where people didn't get to vote yesterday and so far only 51 of them will get a reelection, so they are giving up on some. There are bout 7000 polling stations, so it wont change anything, but still problematic - but it looks like the conditions are simply too bad.
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« Reply #157 on: January 21, 2015, 01:42:23 PM »

I'd be glad to answer some of the questions by Lincoln Poacher in a post above.

Lincolnshire Poacher:
"- I am aware that UPND and especially HH are running on an essentially free market ticket (which is hardly surprising given his role in the privatisation process)."

Answer: UPND under HH has not been running on a free market ticket for a long time. But during these elections, he has been running on a somewhat free market ticket (which has given some credence to the rumor that he is being sponsored by the Oppenheimers etc in South Africa). All along he has been vocally criticizing the PF for not fulfilling their promise of "windfall taxes" on the mines, etc. Now (just before the election) he suddenly started sounding quite tax friendly to foreign investors etc. However, he is also running on a very high expense ticket by basically promising everything to everyone -- free! (free education for everyone immediately, lifting of wage freeze on civil servants, restoration of the massive subsidies on fuel and maize (corn), reduced prices on food, free loans to just about everyone, ...)

Had he won the election, he would have had a lot of trouble getting reelected since he was inevitably going to have to break most of these promises (low tax revenues with high expenditure; low unemployment, low inflation?): since the next election is only in 2016, that won't be enough time for people to forget the broken promises.


Poacher: " However, what about the PF?  I know that under Sata there was not really much evidence of any consistent ideology...is the Lungu wing more economically liberal?  I think this is important because, though none of the parties may exactly have a coherent economic plan, one of the things which seems to distinguish Zambia from most other African states is that elections have recently been at least partly about substantive policy choices..."

Yes, Zambia has traditionally had quite a lot of policy debates in elections for a long time. However, the split in the PF was not on ideological grounds at all. It was simply a power struggle. And the bulk of the campaigns by all parties around the country consists of populist promises with very little discussion of "how."

PF still doesn't have a consistent ideology, under Sata or Guy Scott or Lungu. Ideology became unpopular among intellectuals in Zambia after they got disillusioned by both the socialist experiment of the first president Kenneth Kaunda, and the ostensibly capitalist experiment of his successor Frederick Chiluba. This is why the UPND changed its own manifesto from a free market one when they were opposing Chiluba to a left of center one while it was still under Mazoka, ie even before HH took over.

Poacher: "- Is it really the case that the Copperbelt will vote differently to the two Northern Bemba provinces this time?"

Answer: Not possible.

Poacher:"- Lastly, though its pretty common to see senior figures moving between parties, I do not remember this happening to anything like this extent while elections have been going on, with some big names endorsing rival party candidates.  Is there any good explanation for this?"

Firstly, there are no ideological differences among the parties, so movement among them is quite easy!  Movements are motivated just by power bets (they need jobs in cabinet or embassies abroad). When Sata died and the PF (and the MMD) had a huge power struggle, HH looked like he was destined to win. So, some PF leaders strategically endorsed him, and some MMD leaders also endorsed him. When the MMD and PF fixed their issues, the MMD looked much more damaged, while the PF managed to reconcile most of the differences. (Small corrections to Charlotte Hebdo here: Mulenga Sata, former president Sata's son, did endorse Lungu and spoke at his rally, contrary to reports by the Zambian Watchdog; and Sampa did not form an alternative party, he too endorsed Lungu). The fixed PF attracted some calculating MMD leaders, although many had already jumped to HH while he was looking strong and it was too late to reverse camp now.

I don't believe there is a bigger metanarrative beyond that.

Finally. Lungu will win this one decisively, but what is unclear is 2016. The time is so short that the winner will have to break too many of their generous campaign promises, especially coming at a time when copper prices are low.

Charlotte Hebdo: Are you Zambian?

Answer: Yes! (And thank you for welcoming me here! Je suis Charlie.)
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« Reply #158 on: January 21, 2015, 02:41:42 PM »
« Edited: January 21, 2015, 02:44:34 PM by Charlotte Hebdo »

This is why the UPND changed its own manifesto from a free market one when they were opposing Chiluba to a left of center one while it was still under Mazoka, ie even before HH took over.

Their election manifesto this time was actually fairly consistently social liberal with a focus on enabling people to take care of themselves (free education, land reform, abolishing restrictions on businesses etc.) combined with fiscal conservatism (no loan financing of infrastructure, no tax hikes) and public-private partnership on infrastructure. In the actual campaign they went with pure populism. I assume the manifesto was mostly window dressing, but it was fairly consistent ideologically. Was it targeted at foreign donors?

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Could you elaborate a bit on that? Succession issue, farmers being mad at PF, GBM etc.

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GBM endorsed HH after Lungu had full control of PF and looked strong, but I suppose he was finished within PF anyway.

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Yeah, I misremembered about Sampa. He just toyed with the idea of forming his own party, but came around.

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Do you believe the 2016 election will be free or will Lungu be too tempted to hang on to power (given that he likely can not win reelection)

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From what part of the country and what tribe?

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- How do you view Lungu? The way he became the candidate: Hijacking the conference in Mulungushi, manipulating the courts, using the Army to threaten Scott to give up etc. + his reluctance to debate or give interviews paint a very negative picture of him. Then there are the rumours off his alcoholism (not just in ZW) and disbarment as a lawyer.

- Who is he in your opinion? Has there been published a proper biographic article about him somewhere?

- Do you think others (Chikwanda or Rupiah Banda) will control him? Or will he be his own man?

- Who do you think will be the 2016 candidates? HH is a four time loser, Banda has allied with Lungu and is too old, Mumba has no support. So who will the opposition field?

And again: You should pick Zambia as country under your profile, so you get a flag attached to it. 100% anonymous profiles look strange.
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« Reply #159 on: January 22, 2015, 12:43:37 AM »

Politicus! You can't just go and ask someone what tribe they're from! Tongue

Seriously though, it's a bit patronising, the word "tribe" even... what if I had asked you what your ethnicity was off the bat? Anyway, Afrolyte, welcome to the forum! It's good to no longer be the only African around these parts...
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« Reply #160 on: January 22, 2015, 12:45:23 AM »

Politicus! You can't just go and ask someone what tribe they're from! Tongue

Seriously though, it's a bit patronising, the word "tribe" even... what if I had asked you what your ethnicity was off the bat? Anyway, Afrolyte, welcome to the forum! It's good to no longer be the only African around these parts...

Zambians use the word tribe. I would not have been offended if you asked my ethnicity. It is not a taboo or sensitive info where I come from.
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« Reply #161 on: January 22, 2015, 12:46:53 AM »

Politicus! You can't just go and ask someone what tribe they're from! Tongue

Seriously though, it's a bit patronising, the word "tribe" even... what if I had asked you what your ethnicity was off the bat? Anyway, Afrolyte, welcome to the forum! It's good to no longer be the only African around these parts...

Zambians use the word tribe. I would not have been offended if you asked my ethnicity. It is not a taboo or sensitive info where I come from.

Yes, but still... if you had asked me that I'd be a bit touchy.
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« Reply #162 on: January 22, 2015, 01:49:25 AM »

My reply didn't go through. Perhaps it might have been too long with all my "quotes" of your questions?
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« Reply #163 on: January 22, 2015, 03:17:10 AM »
« Edited: January 22, 2015, 03:19:46 AM by Charlotte Hebdo »

Still, waiting for ECZ

NGO count published in Zambia Reports:

Lung 651,198 - Hichilema’s 485,442.

Hichilema won three provinces (Southern, Western and Northwestern) while the rest have gone to Lungu.

Northwestern Province
UPND: 47,524.
PF: 7,316
Southern Province
UPND: 175,540.
PF: 18,297
Western Province
UPND: 34,518.
PF: 8,120

Central Province
PF: 37,638
UPND: 33,350
Copperbelt Province
PF: 210,180
UPND: 58,850,
Eastern Province
PF: 67,028
UPND: 28,431,
Luapula Province
PF: 59,702
UPND: 6,944,
Lusaka Province
PF: 159,712
UPND: 82,326.
Northern Province
PF: 83,135
UPND :17,937.
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Grand Totals
PF :651,198
UPND: 485,442


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« Reply #164 on: January 22, 2015, 06:13:21 AM »
« Edited: January 22, 2015, 06:15:29 AM by Charlotte Hebdo »

With 80 out of 150 constituencies counted by ECZ Edgar Lungu is leading the race with 533 613 (50.8%) while Hakainde Hichilema has 477 076 representing (45.1%)

The difference between the two rivals stands at 59 537.

National average of voter turnout of the election was 34%. 20% lower than in 2011.

Voting is still taking place in 10 out of 6435 polling stations.
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« Reply #165 on: January 22, 2015, 01:18:36 PM »

After 90 constituencies:

Edgar Lungu 590 251  50.75%
Hakainde Hichilema 534 976 45.14%

They now say the final result could be released as late as Saturday morning.

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« Reply #166 on: January 22, 2015, 02:11:03 PM »

Or perhaps the forum rejects a message when there are links (urls) in it? In my long response, I included a link to Edgar Lungu's profile article that you requested. Could that  be why it rejected my whole post? Or was it the length of the post, as I asked earlier?

(No reply to my last inquiry above. Hmm.)
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« Reply #167 on: January 22, 2015, 02:18:31 PM »
« Edited: January 22, 2015, 02:39:29 PM by Charlotte Hebdo »

My reply didn't go through. Perhaps it might have been too long with all my "quotes" of your questions?

There is a maximum, but I can not remember what it is. Try omitting my questions and just write the answers in bullets/points.

Or perhaps the forum rejects a message when there are links (urls) in it? In my long response, I included a link to Edgar Lungu's profile article that you requested. Could that  be why it rejected my whole post? Or was it the length of the post, as I asked earlier?


You need a minimum of 20 posts to be able to post links. Just post the web address without linking and it should be fine.
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« Reply #168 on: January 22, 2015, 04:20:33 PM »
« Edited: January 22, 2015, 04:24:57 PM by Charlotte Hebdo »

Not sure how much to trust ZW at this point (probably not much), but according to them ECZ Chairperson Irene Mambilimba has castigated politicians that are threatening her staff with dismissals if the don't cooperate in rigging result. They mention PF Ministers Nkandu Luo (probably Lungus coming VP), and Jean Kapatathreatened the ECZ personnel with dismissals immediately after PF wins and that Luo has said he would fire Irene Mambilimba once Lungu wins for refusing to cooperate with PF in manipulation of results.

Also says that PF officials across the country have threatened ECZ returning officers (mainly council officials and teachers) to fully cooperate or be fired.

"As a result, some of the staff in the computer room at ECZ tallying centers across the country and at Mulungushi Conference Centre are now changing and manipulation results in favour of Lungu the PF candidate.

Other than adding figures on the results certificates, some ECZ officials are now interchanging results as well as getting those results that belong to political parties such as UNIP, FDD, and are adding them to PF."

Whether or not this is true, it is likely the story UPND will go with when they lose.

The catch is why PF should go to such lenghts to manipulate the result if they are so certain to win anyway, that they can issue threats of "we will fire you when you win". It is not completely impossible, but still a bit hard to swallow.
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« Reply #169 on: January 22, 2015, 05:32:48 PM »
« Edited: January 22, 2015, 05:48:20 PM by Charlotte Hebdo »

In the latest ECZ count covering 111 of 150 constituencies the difference is down to 2.12% (29 054 votes)

Edgar Lungu 670 397 (48.87%)
Hakainde Hichilema 641 343 (46.75%)
Edith Nawakwi 11 260 (0.82%)
Nevers Mumba 10 242 (0.75%)

http://www.lusakatimes.com/2015/01/23/hh-cuts-edgar-lungus-lead-edith-nawakwi-moves-third-position/

ECZ will make their next announcement of results at 11 AM local time tomorrow.
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« Reply #170 on: January 22, 2015, 07:22:33 PM »

0.75% for the MMD candidate is obviously a disaster. MMD did after all rule Zambia for twenty years (1991-2011) and is (was?) the best organized of the three big parties. Given how many of the MPs that have deserted it will be hard for them to regroup and bounce back before 2016.
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« Reply #171 on: January 22, 2015, 09:32:59 PM »

0.75% for the MMD candidate is obviously a disaster. MMD did after all rule Zambia for twenty years (1991-2011) and is (was?) the best organized of the three big parties. Given how many of the MPs that have deserted it will be hard for them to regroup and bounce back before 2016.

Brings to mind Mali, where ADEMA came in a distant 3rd to two breakaway parties.
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« Reply #172 on: January 22, 2015, 10:46:57 PM »

Or perhaps the forum rejects a message when there are links (urls) in it? In my long response, I included a link to Edgar Lungu's profile article that you requested. Could that  be why it rejected my whole post? Or was it the length of the post, as I asked earlier?

(No reply to my last inquiry above. Hmm.)

You can only include urls in your posts once you have 20 or more. Since you have only posted 4 times, the forum rejected your post. If you stay with us, you'll soon be able to post urls Smiley
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« Reply #173 on: January 23, 2015, 01:51:42 AM »
« Edited: January 23, 2015, 02:45:41 AM by Charlotte Hebdo »

The 39 constituencies remaining are:

1. Central Province – 5 seats -Chitambo, Muchinga, Serenje, Mukushi South Kapiri Mposhi and Keembe constituencies.

2. Copperbelt- 1 seat – Mpongwe

3. Eastern Province -7 – Chama South, Feira, Kapoche, Lumezi, Petauke Central, Msanzala and Nyimba

4. Lusaka – 1-Rufunsa

5. Luapula-1- Chembe

6. Northern Province-7- Chilubi, Chinsali, Kanchibiya, Isoka East (Mafinga), Malole, Lupososhi and Mfuwe

7. Northwestern – 6 – Chavuma, Mufumbwe, Kabompo East, Kapbompo West, Solwezi East and Zambezi West

8. Southern Province – 1- Katombola

9. Western Province -10 – Kaoma Central, Luena, Lukulu East, Lukulu West, Mangango,
Mulobezi, Nalolo, Senanga, Sikongo and Sinjembela

So 17 in UPND provinces and 5 in Central. HH is not completely done yet. Much will depend on Lungu's margins in the seven Eastern constituencies.

(they don't seem to use Muchinga as an entity in this election for some reason - probably because it is a by-election and the province was created after the election in 2011)
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« Reply #174 on: January 23, 2015, 03:07:39 AM »

Hichilema claims a narrow victory over Lungu and suggests the results being announce have been manipulated. He is also seeking an urgent meeting with ECZ.

“Our results are increasingly clear and indicate a narrow victory for the UPND. We require full clarity and agreement on all final ECZ results before any announcement is made by the ECZ”

UPND says that:

- There has been significant miscalculations in the counting process, with the wrong numbers attributed to the wrong constituencies.

- Some published numbers have been highly inflated with "clear failure to calculate basic arithmetic".

-The incorrect figures have illegally been published by the print media.

ZW has a story of a team of riggers inside ECZ led by the Zimbabwean born head of its information section.
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