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« Reply #50 on: November 05, 2014, 01:49:08 AM »

After reading what was "wrong" with the Game Moderator office the last time, I really believe this is nonsense. I mean, please! This is going to get like the gun control issue IRL! I strongly oppose this.
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« Reply #51 on: November 05, 2014, 08:41:00 AM »

One point I'd like to make is without some sort of God figure we run the risk of people doing whatever they like ( Without a GM, everything is permissible Tongue). Without someone to tell us what's actually happened it's entirely subjective, and I can see that going badly wrong, just look at the recent fiasco after tyrion left. Having someone who's appointed to be a minor correcting figure makes sense to me.

Can you think of a recent example in which a GM actually did this?


I think the last time when the GM as the GM and not the political position had a large impact with a story was rimjob, but that's not the sort of point I'm trying to make.

The way I see it, with a position of GM we are all committed in principle that actions in the game have a consequence, and this is objective and not up for date. Now of course in practice almost everything with regard to consequences is up for debate, but this principle allows us to stop, say, me declaring myself king of all atlasia, and without the GM and the objective truth that enbodies I think that opens the door for anything to occur. I think without a GM we run the risk of far more post tyrion style situations.
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« Reply #52 on: November 05, 2014, 03:29:10 PM »

One point I'd like to make is without some sort of God figure we run the risk of people doing whatever they like ( Without a GM, everything is permissible Tongue). Without someone to tell us what's actually happened it's entirely subjective, and I can see that going badly wrong, just look at the recent fiasco after tyrion left. Having someone who's appointed to be a minor correcting figure makes sense to me.

Can you think of a recent example in which a GM actually did this?


I think the last time when the GM as the GM and not the political position had a large impact with a story was rimjob, but that's not the sort of point I'm trying to make.

The way I see it, with a position of GM we are all committed in principle that actions in the game have a consequence, and this is objective and not up for date. Now of course in practice almost everything with regard to consequences is up for debate, but this principle allows us to stop, say, me declaring myself king of all atlasia, and without the GM and the objective truth that enbodies I think that opens the door for anything to occur. I think without a GM we run the risk of far more post tyrion style situations.

I think you're on to something with this argument, and it appeals to me the more that I think about it. But doesn't it also suggest that we ought to treat the position differently?

That is, rather than someone who plays an active role in day-to-day affairs, providing weekly updates and ongoing stories and so on, the GM should take a less active role, intervening only occasionally to resolve disputes or to lend weight to the game's "reality." He or she should be, as Cynic suggests, someone who will renounce personal ambition for the immediate future. Maybe if we reduce the scope of the job, treating it almost as an emeritus position, we could fill the position with two or three senior players who don't plan to run for office again (or at least not for a while), and who don't want to commit hours of their time every week, but who wants to remain involved with Atlasia nevertheless.

I would like to say, that a lot of this debate has been far too personal on both sides. I'm as guilty as anyone of it. These debates shouldn't get so personal...

I think you're on to it though with this. The GM could be someone who can resolve disputes, simulate outsider public opinion (if only just to provide some sort of harbinger to provoke debates) and even simulate things such as the rebellions we recently saw. Apart from things like that, maybe we can just allow the GM to make themselves useful in other ways, as you suggest, at their discretion. Can we amend it to that? I would support it. I think the position can still be useful in terms of preventing things completely collapsing into the kind of chaos we saw when the position was completely unused by the holder. Rather than forcing the hours of tedium on the holder, which inevitably exhausts them.
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« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2014, 07:09:07 PM »

I want to say that as someone potentially entering the office that I support this. The job as it is now is an overwhelming one and I've outlined how I wish to run things if I'm confirmed and it's pretty much in lock step with this. It's to keep the office viable and work as an admin for the game basically, but to allow the game to run naturally with minimal interference.
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« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2014, 09:56:47 PM »

I will offer the amendment if that is needed at this juncture.

I am not opposed to the direction, I just have a nagging feeling there was something more we could have done.
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« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2014, 05:47:00 AM »

I am willing to offer the amendment in question.
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« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2014, 07:06:46 AM »

I like the look of that amendment.

By way of analogy it's probably helpful to look at the GM as a pope figure. Occasionally he'll speak infallibly and that must be assented to, but most of the time we can disagree with him, although his view still gets a lot more weight than some random churchgoer/priest/bishop.
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« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2014, 07:10:38 AM »

This amendment is good and I will vote for it.
Good job Nix!
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« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2014, 11:32:00 PM »

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This amendment would strip away all of the mandates that are currently in the Constitution, and would clear the way for the kind of GMing that Cynic and I have been discussing. That is, as Bore puts it, enough game moderation to establish that, in Atlasia, not all things are permitted.

At the same time, it would not impede a more active GM should that rare person with equally boundless expertise and free time come into the position.

I can certainly see myself supporting this at the moment.
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« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2014, 11:55:26 PM »

Can I just say thank goodness we all got past the initial bickering and were able to meet in the middle on this.
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« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2014, 12:39:31 PM »

I would have supported the original version, but this one seems great. I'll support it.
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« Reply #61 on: November 20, 2014, 08:54:51 AM »

I guess a final vote can be opened here?
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« Reply #62 on: November 20, 2014, 09:24:49 AM »
« Edited: November 21, 2014, 01:37:27 PM by Senator bore »

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Senators have 24 hours to object to this amendment.
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« Reply #63 on: November 21, 2014, 01:37:52 PM »

With no objections the amendment passes.

Can we move to final vote?
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« Reply #64 on: November 21, 2014, 02:14:34 PM »

I motion for a final vote.
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« Reply #65 on: November 22, 2014, 03:19:41 AM »

I second the motion
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« Reply #66 on: November 22, 2014, 07:33:45 AM »

Thirded
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« Reply #67 on: November 22, 2014, 03:24:06 PM »

Senators, a final vote is now open on this amendment
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« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2014, 05:15:39 AM »

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« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2014, 06:41:59 AM »

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« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2014, 11:32:34 AM »

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« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2014, 03:07:07 PM »

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« Reply #72 on: November 24, 2014, 01:20:16 AM »

Abstain
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« Reply #73 on: November 24, 2014, 04:25:47 AM »

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« Reply #74 on: November 25, 2014, 01:18:15 AM »

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