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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: November 06, 2014, 02:41:49 PM »

LOLWUT!?  The GOP does not consist of "perfectly nice people", Cassius...I think that's what Nathan and I are trying to say here.  It's surprising that you were the one to come up with the obligatory "moderate-hero-everyone-chill-post-election" soliloquy, but it doesn't mean I can't dissect it for the BS that it is.  
Speaking of dissecting BS...
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While it is clear that Republicans have sought some minor changes that have the effect of making it slightly more difficult for Democratic-leaning voters to vote, there certainly is noting to indicate race was a reason for them. Furthermore, the change that Democrats get their underwear all twisted up about, voter ID, has a negligible effect on turnout and rather than decrying it in a way calculated to alienate non-base voters, the Democrats should instead have been pushing means to ensure everyone has a picture ID.  We no longer live in a society where one can be a functioning member of the economy without one.
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This is the one of your charges with the least BS.  But even here you ascribe too great an emphasis on this motivation.  Sadly, there are those who actually do disbelieve that climate change is being caused by human actions.  Also there are those who quite reasonably want to deal with change in the most economic manner, and that might well be by dealing with the effects as they happen rather than trying to prevent them from happening in the first place.
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You seem to be taking as a given that government is supposed to be involved in the economy and that government is the only possible solution to the problems you are concerned with.  Personally I agree with you, but not because of any sense of morality, but because it is good for the overall economy and thus benefits all of us, both rich and poor, when the government does such things.  But in a truly moral society, we wouldn't need the government to do any of this.  Alas, our society is not as moral as we would like it to be.
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Why should a minimum wage job get anyone out of poverty?  It should be enough to allow one to survive, but out of poverty?  That's economic nonsense.  Unless one defines the poverty level as being just enough to keep from starving or freezing to death, then we can never eliminate poverty.  It just simply is not mathematically possible to have everyone be above average.
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Huh?  If you think that the leaders of the religious right don't actually believe what they are peddling, you are deluded.
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While I find a number of the policies they advocate to be short-sighted and/or stupid, they aren't immoral, any more than I can point to any Democratic polices that are immoral.
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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2014, 03:34:05 PM »


-Denying climate change because it is good for the profit margins of your donors is morally depraved and reprehensible

This is the one of your charges with the least BS.  But even here you ascribe too great an emphasis on this motivation.  Sadly, there are those who actually do disbelieve that climate change is being caused by human actions.  Also there are those who quite reasonably want to deal with change in the most economic manner, and that might well be by dealing with the effects as they happen rather than trying to prevent them from happening in the first place.

There is zero chance we can do anything with this technology level to prevent the climate change from happening. Therefore, the only rational response is to deal with the effects of it.

The environmental fanatics call anybody who tries to talk that way a "climate change denier".

Who says we're stuck with our current technology level?
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