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« on: November 05, 2014, 09:01:16 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2014, 09:05:10 PM »

Excellent news.  The fear-mongering of the activists failed again.  
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2014, 09:05:44 PM »

Thank goodness Smiley (says the proud Nader supporter in 2000... green politics is weird.)
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2014, 09:13:45 PM »

Good.
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2014, 09:22:43 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2014, 09:38:45 PM »

Excellent news.  The fear-mongering of the activists failed again.  
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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2014, 09:47:30 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2014, 09:52:52 PM »

Remember January 2013? Yeah, now its our turn.
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2014, 09:59:36 PM »


This is very much a cross party circle jerk (and unlike a lot of Euros I don't identify with US Democrats).
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2014, 10:01:23 PM »

politicus is a GMO truther, pay him no mind.
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2014, 10:11:01 PM »

What a fantastic victory for the liberty of corporations to not have to give consumers information!
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2014, 10:27:50 PM »

politicus is a GMO truther, pay him no mind.

GMO's have changed politicus's gender? More dangerous than I ever thought!

Basically the one thing I'll say about GMO's is they are hardly worse than conventional agriculture; but as ever the techno-utopian brigade never cease to amuse.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2014, 10:17:24 AM »

How is this good news exactly?  I like to know what I eat.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2014, 10:26:59 AM »

How is this good news exactly?  I like to know what I eat.
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2014, 10:54:25 AM »

politicus is a GMO truther, pay him no mind.

GMO's have changed politicus's gender? More dangerous than I ever thought!

Basically the one thing I'll say about GMO's is they are hardly worse than conventional agriculture; but as ever the techno-utopian brigade never cease to amuse.

I would extend that further and say that GMOs are hardly different from conventional agriculture, for better or worse.
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2014, 11:12:25 AM »
« Edited: November 06, 2014, 11:16:15 AM by Storebought »

I've always felt that this was short0-sighted (a typo, but one I will leave in) on US producers' part. A great many countries embargo US crops and foodstuffs not just because they were composed of unlabeled GMOs, but also because we like using food dyes and additives that are unlicensed outside the US/Canada. For these reasons, the American notion that we "feed the world" is risible.

For the small price of not using these obnoxious additives -- and the slightly greater price of changing suppliers and distributors to avoid now-unlabeled GMO products -- US foodstuffs could find greater acceptance and marketshare abroad. Any country that then refused American food products can rightfully be accused of protectionism.

Stop trying to convince foreigners that these adducts are harmless, and just sell them what they want.
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2014, 11:14:59 AM »

I completely fail to see how this is good at all. Information is burdensome to some people, I guess.

I prefer organic, but I don't see GMOs as sinister. I guess that idea gets lost on reactionaries too. Ah well.
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2014, 11:25:27 AM »

I've always felt that this was short0-sighted (a typo, but one I will leave in) on US producers' part. A great many countries embargo US crops and foodstuffs not just because they were composed of unlabeled GMOs, but also because we like using food dyes and additives that are unlicensed outside the US/Canada. For these reasons, the American notion that we "feed the world" is risible.

For the small price of not using these obnoxious additives -- and the slightly greater price of changing suppliers and distributors to avoid now-unlabeled GMO products -- US foodstuffs could find greater acceptance and marketshare abroad. Any country that then refused American food products can rightfully be accused of protectionism.

Stop trying to convince foreigners that these adducts are harmless, and just sell them what they want.
Cite that American food producers are suffering without these markets?
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2014, 11:38:18 AM »

My contention is that you simply sell what your customer asks for. The US loses potential agribusiness to countries like NZ and Australia precisely because we insist upon the use additives, growth hormones, GMO soy and corn, ... that foreign food regulators have, for what ever reason, banned.

An academic article can be found here.
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2014, 11:42:14 AM »

GMO labeling should probably be done at the federal level, if it is done at all.


politicus is a GMO truther, pay him no mind.

GMO's have changed politicus's gender? More dangerous than I ever thought!

Basically the one thing I'll say about GMO's is they are hardly worse than conventional agriculture; but as ever the techno-utopian brigade never cease to amuse.

I would extend that further and say that GMOs are hardly different from conventional agriculture, for better or worse.

Ah yes, I would agree ... but I was trying to imply that conventional agriculture is also not inherently safe, and the false dichotomy of "safe 'natural' seeds" vs. "spooky unnatural GMO's", is an all too common false dichotomy.

To release a new GMO product, extremely (well, relatively) stringent regulations are enforced to ensure they pose no risk to humans (the major worry is that the inserted gene also codes for an allergen). I have no problem with this - indeed one of the first major GM crops deregulated (virus resistant papaya) potentially could have been a f[Inks]ing disaster, because the Department of Agriculture released it rather prematurely - while tests were still ongoing, IIRC.

But "natural" techniques of altering the genome remain a completely deregulated free-for-all. That concerns me frankly. In many ways (apart from the inherent danger involved with allergenics) non-transgenic organisms pose a greater risk than GMO's, because this is genetic manipulation with a blindfold, while the GMO industry - for its flaws - knows what it's doing for the most part.

That said: I don't like transgenics being used in cash crops and I certainly don't like engineering pathogenic resistant crops, which is basically a stupid genetic arms race. I also support the much maligned "Terminator" seeds.

I'm not very happy with this post, because I feel like I have a lot to say about agriculture in general, but my mind is swimming at the moment. Maybe later.

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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2014, 09:41:05 AM »

Excellent news!
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2014, 09:43:55 AM »

GMO is just another one of those Bushie-esque cheats of unhealthy people to find a way to justify eating food high in fat and sugar. "It's not the empty calories in my chips that make them unhealthy, it's the corn syrup gluten GMOs!" More educated unhealthy people, but still Bushies nonetheless.
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2014, 10:12:56 AM »

Why exactly would it be a bad idea to give consumers information?
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2014, 10:19:35 AM »

Yea, how is this bad?  I'm not saying GMOs are inherently bad, but what's wrong with giving people information?  Is there something tangible we can compare this to? 
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2014, 10:34:07 AM »

Yea, how is this bad?  I'm not saying GMOs are inherently bad, but what's wrong with giving people information?  Is there something tangible we can compare this to? 

GMOs are seen as "scary" and this would provide no benefit to consumers. It would needlessly stigmatise an important innovation in food production. It's a dumb idea.
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