Opinion of Hillary Clinton

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

She is basically the person who is going to save America. Think about that.

[SWE]

How will losing the 2016 election save America?

[Lief 🗽]

The only person who can prevent a wholesale repeal of the Great Society and New Deal.

[Maxwell]

How will losing the 2016 election save America?

[TDAS04]

Major FF.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Major HP.

[Grumpier Than Thou]

Awful...hopefully I don't have to vote for her in 2016.

[traininthedistance]

How will losing the 2016 election save America?

Actually there's a legitimate case to be made that it's more important to win 2018 and 2020– because redistricting– and we'll have a better chance then if we narrowly lose in 2016.

Is that worth the damage that a Republican trifecta can cause in the meantime?  Probably not, because (among other things, but most importantly) SCOTUS.

Anyway, Hillary is not a shoo-in of course but it would be a pretty fact-free cavalcade of motivated reasoning to claim she doesn't give the Dems our best chance as far as we can tell right now.  I can't say I particularly like her, and I'll very likely vote for whatever sacrificial lamb tries to pull her left in the primary, but as a GE candidate she would obviously get my vote because good God I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Oh yes, just like Bill Clinton saved America by screwing over Democrats by getting NAFTA through in his first 2 years, and then his party lost the House for the first time in 40 years, and which time Clinton worked with the Republicans in Congress to ensure that the Great Depression happened.

How about we find someone who doesn't piss on their party so bad that if they manage to get elected President with a decent House majority that they don't lose it after 2 years?

[bedstuy]

I don't understand the hate.  She's a brilliant, thoughtful, engaging person.  I can't think of someone better qualified to be President.

I guess what I don't understand is how Hillary as President would result in quantitatively inferior results to if another plausible candidate became President.  Maybe if you want radical conservative policies, sure.  But, if you're moderate to leftist, Hillary could deliver results as well as anyone could.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

She is basically the person who is going to save America. Think about that.

Lol post-midterms hysteria.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

The only person who can will prevent enact a wholesale repeal of the Great Society and New Deal.

[IceSpear]

It's going to be funny when all the True Leftists here jump on the Hillary bandwagon toward the end of election season, just like they did with Obama in 2012.

[IceSpear]

I don't understand the hate.  She's a brilliant, thoughtful, engaging person.  I can't think of someone better qualified to be President.

I guess what I don't understand is how Hillary as President would result in quantitatively inferior results to if another plausible candidate became President.  Maybe if you want radical conservative policies, sure.  But, if you're moderate to leftist, Hillary could deliver results as well as anyone could.

It's because she has a vagina.

As Beet pointed out in the other thread, the "tr00 progressives" had/have no problem with Biden, Kerry, Edwards (before his scandals) despite their votes for the Iraq War, but for Hillary it is apparently an unforgivable sin.

[SWE]

Biden, Kerry, and Edwards votes for the Iraq War should disqualify them from ever holding office, just like Hillary's

[IceSpear]

Biden, Kerry, and Edwards votes for the Iraq War should disqualify them. from ever holding office, just like Hillary's

Yet I heard no liberal angst when Obama picked Biden as VP. And many of the people who despise Hillary now for her Iraq War vote (supposedly) were Edwards supporters in 2008.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

It's going to be funny when all the True Leftists here jump on the Hillary bandwagon toward the end of election season, just like they did with Obama in 2012.

Despite Obama being a massive disappointment, he's still better than Hillary.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Biden, Kerry, and Edwards votes for the Iraq War should disqualify them. from ever holding office, just like Hillary's

They weren't as unapologetic in their support, but I agree that it's ridiculous that Democrats have nominated 3 (and quite likely a 4th in 2 years) people who voted for it for President or VP, and 0 who voted against it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Not really a HP, but Dems nominating her would be an absolute catastrophe for the party. Even (and actually maybe even more so) if she ends up winning. She represents everything we need to move away from.

[TNF]

The only person who can will prevent enact a wholesale repeal of the Great Society and New Deal.

Clinton will probably try to one up her husband and her former boss by finally enacting that long hoped for goal of privatization of Social Security. At the very least she'll probably sign off on privatizing unemployment insurance or something totally insane like that. Or, depending on the size of the Republican majority in Congress when she comes into office, ban public sector collective bargaining outright.

[Rockefeller GOP]

I am told she is pretty much a goddess.

Then midterms.  Haha, this is awesome, I've never seen the board be bipolar before!

[H. Ross Peron]

Moderate FF.

[angus]

Deeply flawed.  The personification of all that is wrong with our people and our politics.  I cannot think of a person better suited to represent the worst of our culture.  HP. 

[Flake]

She's far from my favorite choice to run for President, but she has proven to be an effective leader with strong foreign credentials (I mean nothing can beat being the Secretary of State), when she was a Senator she served on the budget committee, the armed services committee, the environmental committee, and the health, education, labor & pension committee, and she has the experience of running a national campaign and the support of one of the best campaigners in American history and his infrastructure. I doubt any Democrat elected would be too different from her regarding economic policies and she'd obviously be the best Democrat to deal with foreign affairs, and although she is no Elizabeth Warren, I would vote for her in the primary and in the general election.

[Mr. Smith]

Given that she actually seems to give a damn about basic human rights across the board, in spite of fiscal lunacy and hawkishness towards war I'm still calling her FF.

But I'm still voting for any one further left if I can be it Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, but especially Brian Schweitzer.

I'm reading her autobiography of her tenure as Sec. of State...after that, I'm having a hard time doubting her intentions.