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« on: November 06, 2014, 11:36:34 PM »

I would always assume it would be similar to the nearby areas like Bayonne, Elizabeth, Rahway etc - blue collar, maritime towns. In Staten Island, the only area with a similar bent to it is the north shore.
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2014, 10:58:35 AM »

A bit older, more suburban (yes, it's NYC but it's quite suburban in most areas), whiter, lots of old-fashioned Italians...
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2014, 02:02:32 PM »

Might not the second word in its name give you a clue?
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2014, 04:57:08 PM »

Staten Island is about 66% non-Hispanic white, the others you mentioned are less than 50% Non-Hispanic white with the exception of Bayonne which is 56%.  Whites in Staten Island tend to be more Italian, older and more religious as well than whites in Bayonne, Rahway and Elizabeth.
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2014, 06:12:10 PM »

Percentage of residents born in-state

NY-11 64.3%

European Ancestry

Italian: 34.7%
Irish: 14.2%
German: 5.7%
Russian: 3.8%
Polish: 3.4%


Like many "ethnic" communities, Staten Island's political culture is very insular and defined by its tendency towards social relations defined by gemeinschaft rather than gezelleschaft. In 1994, Mario Cuomo received 47% of the vote in Staten Island (state PVI D+2): . In 2014, Andrew Cuomo received 54% of the vote in Staten Island (state PVI: D+1). Italian ethnic identity is still a major asset for politicians in Staten Island.
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2014, 06:17:09 PM »

Might not the second word in its name give you a clue?

It's a well known fact that islands exert a tremendous influence on voting behavior. The constant presence of high levels of humidity creates an imbalance that moves people away from the ideal water, air, earth and ether equilibrium.
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2014, 07:46:38 PM »

defined by gemeinschaft rather than gezelleschaft.

Alright that does it; I'm staging an intervention.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2014, 11:50:19 AM »

Might not the second word in its name give you a clue?

It's a well known fact that islands exert a tremendous influence on voting behavior. The constant presence of high levels of humidity creates an imbalance that moves people away from the ideal water, air, earth and ether equilibrium.

I'm a rather imbalanced islander and can testify that is true, rational behaviour is impossible when levels of humidity are usually above 80%. Is that the case in that NYC borough?

It would be fascinating a lecture on "gemeinschaft" and "identity politics" in Staten Island.
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2014, 02:16:03 PM »

I've lived in the NYC Metro area for 13 years and I've never been to Staten Island.  I never thought of it as part of NYC to be honest.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2014, 08:49:46 PM »

The area it borders is a lot wetter and less amenable to development than the area itself, so that's certainly one key difference.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2014, 11:32:23 AM »

I've lived in the NYC Metro area for 13 years and I've never been to Staten Island.  I never thought of it as part of NYC to be honest.

Well, we don't want it either. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2014, 12:55:48 PM »

One of the reasons is that for Staten Island the GOP is also something of a "local nationalist party". SI is defining itself, in part, in opposition to NYC. They actually do read the Staten Island Advance on the Island Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2014, 03:08:41 PM »

Its pretty significant that Bayonne, Elizabeth and Rahway are in New Jersey while Staten Island is in New York. 

State boundaries matter a lot in politics/demography, for example:



See, arbitrary lines can actually do a lot sometimes. 
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