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« on: November 10, 2014, 07:15:50 PM »
« edited: February 11, 2015, 12:39:57 AM by NE Lt. Governor Griffin »

Pursuant to Executive Order 1 by President Lumine, the following executive orders have now been rescinded:

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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2014, 07:21:57 PM »

Can you rescind a previous administration's executive order with your own executive order?
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2014, 07:28:34 PM »

Rescinding all previous executive orders is common practice and was done when Nix took office, to name but one example.
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2014, 07:29:26 PM »

Rescinding all previous executive orders is common practice and was done when Nix took office, to name but one example.

Okay cool, I was wondering if I was supposed to ignore this or not, but now you've successfully pointed me in the right direction.
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2014, 07:39:51 PM »

Indeed, several of the past Executive Orders address crises that are over or mandate things that are going to be done regardless of the situation. Averroes Nix's Executive Order N°18, DemPGH's Executive Order N°6 and Cranberry's Executive Order N°2 do refer to ongoing events, but that will be dealt with in a more efficient manner once the cabinet is confirmed. It should also be noted that the Order of the Gold and Silver Star can only be taken away by the Senate and  that as far as I'm concerned I cannot cancellate the pardons of another President.

But I must say I do find it very encouraging (and a good sign of renewed interest) to know that there are watchful citizens out there to carefully analyze the moves of the administration. Keep up the good work, Griffin!
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2014, 09:09:51 PM »

Indeed, several of the past Executive Orders address crises that are over or mandate things that are going to be done regardless of the situation. Averroes Nix's Executive Order N°18, DemPGH's Executive Order N°6 and Cranberry's Executive Order N°2 do refer to ongoing events, but that will be dealt with in a more efficient manner once the cabinet is confirmed. It should also be noted that the Order of the Gold and Silver Star can only be taken away by the Senate and  that as far as I'm concerned I cannot cancellate the pardons of another President.

Perhaps I'm not following on Averroes #18, but wouldn't these fines begin to go into effect in 2015, had they not begun to come into compliance by September? Also, has the SoEA issued any updates on the situation in the Middle East to warrant the lift of the travel ban? I'd also be quite interested in how the humanitarian crisis relief went in the Midwest; usually these sorts of things don't resolve themselves in a mere month.

I also italicized/asterisked the Gold/Silver Star EOs for that reason, but since the law doesn't specify that the award may be revoked only by the Senate, I felt this was unclear.
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2014, 08:22:46 AM »

So I don't have anymore the Silver Star? Sad
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2014, 01:57:57 PM »


You do - and I still have my gold star - my interpretation is that only the Senate can take them away.
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2014, 04:40:00 PM »

I miss issuing unconstitutional executive orders Sad
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2014, 05:16:07 PM »

And it just keeps piling up!

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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2014, 05:23:28 PM »

What does "strategically delayed" mean in this context? Do you think Cynic would fail a vote for GM right now?
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2014, 05:24:28 PM »

What does "strategically delayed" mean in this context? Do you think Cynic would fail a vote for GM right now?

Putting one forward and not the others would give it all away, no? Pretty sure at least a couple of those would definitely fail with the current Senate makeup (assuming it were to do its job properly).
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2014, 05:26:43 PM »

Griffin:

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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2014, 05:30:09 PM »


So good to see you active again!
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2014, 05:30:36 PM »


Eh, just tonight.
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2014, 06:18:32 PM »
« Edited: November 13, 2014, 06:21:01 PM by Lowly Griff »


Well that's a shame.

Trying to move away from the needless fight, yes, the idea was to wait until the reforms. That said, taking too much time before having the cabinet can be a problem, so I am talking to the Vice-President regarding that issue.

That said, to suggest that there's the delay is motivated by the election is simply ludicrous, so I would suggest dropping that argument.

We then call on the administration to immediately open nomination hearings for all of its cabinet nominees. Of course, by the time they all conclude at this point, the election will be over...

EDIT: We commend the administration for finally moving forward with the nomination process after one week of uncertainty, instability and doubt.
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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2014, 05:01:45 PM »

Why are people always so frazzled lately?

There's some competence in the White House again. Everything's going to be fine. Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2014, 08:06:09 PM »

Why are people always so frazzled lately?

There's some competence in the White House again. Everything's going to be fine. Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2014, 08:18:35 PM »

Trying to move away from the needless fight, yes, the idea was to wait until the reforms. That said, taking too much time before having the cabinet can be a problem, so I am talking to the Vice-President regarding that issue.

That said, to suggest that there's the delay is motivated by the election is simply ludicrous, so I would suggest dropping that argument.

We then call on the administration to immediately open nomination hearings for all of its cabinet nominees. Of course, by the time they all conclude at this point, the election will be over...

EDIT: We commend the administration for finally moving forward with the nomination process after one week of uncertainty, instability and doubt.

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Uncertainty, instability and doubt are a natural consequence of attempting to conduct a PPT election and get cabinet nominees confirmed while also attempting to entirely restructure the Senate's rules. I made the call to delay the hearings on the nominees, not Lumine, because I'd prefer to ensure that all our nominees are confirmed legitimately in a Senate operating under clear operating rules.
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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2014, 09:12:55 PM »

RIP PACIFIC

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It has come to my attention that the Pacific Government has been silent for a grand total of 11 days. Not a peep from a single Councillor or the Governor, despite the fact that there is currently a vote open to consolidate the power of the current regime by allowing these Councillors to serve for four-month terms (although nary a single Councillor has voted on it yet). The current Governor also didn't log in at all for nearly 10 days (until just a couple of days ago).

With no specific expulsion procedure in the Constitution for inactivity of officers (other than generic recall provisions) and the Council on the verge (assuming it can show up) of doubling the length of its term, this is deeply disturbing!
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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2014, 09:39:51 PM »

Well that legitimately is disturbing... but not out of the ordinary. Unfortunately.
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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2014, 11:07:44 PM »

I'm so disappointed in all of the Pacific's elected officials.
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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2014, 11:11:11 PM »

The problem is the Pacific needs constant guidance, as does any region with activity problems. We had that under Tyrion, we had it under DemPGH, under Cranberry and until recently Simfan was doing a great job of keeping the place running at something approaching a decent level.

Sigh.
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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2014, 11:12:22 PM »

As a Pacific councilor,  I am open to joining a party. Currently, I am an independent,  but I may change who I caucus with soon.
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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2014, 11:15:18 PM »

As a Pacific councilor,  I am open to joining a party. Currently, I am an independent,  but I may change who I caucus with soon.


Perhaps in the meantime you could do your job?
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