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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2014, 03:41:35 PM »

I don't think Cruz is Judiciary Chairman so he doesn't have direct power to force a trial.
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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2014, 03:51:43 PM »

I don't think Cruz is Judiciary Chairman so he doesn't have direct power to force a trial.

True, but if he hasn't changed since 2013 he can threaten to filibuster the senate until they take up the impeachment, and whip up anger among the base that doesn't realize why this would be a bad idea. McConnell's and Boehner's weakness is that they are strategic and sensible leaders, but they can be outflanked if someone gets on a soapbox and channels the base's anger.
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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2014, 08:45:01 AM »

If Obama forces amnesty on us, why shouldn't they begin impeachment proceedings?

We are not a dictatorship. His goal is to single-handedly and permanently alter the country's demographics.

Not to mention he should be impeached for countless reasons. The spy scandal, the IRS scandal, Benghazi coverup, Fast & Furious, Gruber/Obamacare, the list goes on
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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2014, 09:28:26 AM »

If Obama forces amnesty on us, why shouldn't they begin impeachment proceedings?

We are not a dictatorship. His goal is to single-handedly and permanently alter the country's demographics.

Not to mention he should be impeached for countless reasons. The spy scandal, the IRS scandal, Benghazi coverup, Fast & Furious, Gruber/Obamacare, the list goes on

Forcing conservatives to obey tax laws and pay what they owe to Uncle Sam is an impeachable offense?
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« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2014, 09:33:59 AM »

If Obama forces amnesty on us, why shouldn't they begin impeachment proceedings?

We are not a dictatorship. His goal is to single-handedly and permanently alter the country's demographics.

Not to mention he should be impeached for countless reasons. The spy scandal, the IRS scandal, Benghazi coverup, Fast & Furious, Gruber/Obamacare, the list goes on

Forcing conservatives to obey tax laws and pay what they owe to Uncle Sam is an impeachable offense?

If it is under extra scrutiny, then yes
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« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2014, 09:43:31 AM »

If Obama forces amnesty on us, why shouldn't they begin impeachment proceedings?

We are not a dictatorship. His goal is to single-handedly and permanently alter the country's demographics.

Not to mention he should be impeached for countless reasons. The spy scandal, the IRS scandal, Benghazi coverup, Fast & Furious, Gruber/Obamacare, the list goes on

Forcing conservatives to obey tax laws and pay what they owe to Uncle Sam is an impeachable offense?

If it is under extra scrutiny, then yes

So you're admitting you think conservatives should be above the law.
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« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2014, 09:45:56 AM »


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« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2014, 09:56:15 AM »

If Obama forces amnesty on us, why shouldn't they begin impeachment proceedings?

We are not a dictatorship. His goal is to single-handedly and permanently alter the country's demographics.

Not to mention he should be impeached for countless reasons. The spy scandal, the IRS scandal, Benghazi coverup, Fast & Furious, Gruber/Obamacare, the list goes on

Forcing conservatives to obey tax laws and pay what they owe to Uncle Sam is an impeachable offense?

If it is under extra scrutiny, then yes

So you're admitting you think conservatives should be above the law.

No I'm saying they should just pay their taxes and be onward like everyone else. If romney was president and the IRS was targeting Liberal groups for extra auditing and such, you'd be up in arms. Oh wait, you probably hate guns
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« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2014, 09:59:36 AM »

If Obama forces amnesty on us, why shouldn't they begin impeachment proceedings?

We are not a dictatorship. His goal is to single-handedly and permanently alter the country's demographics.

Not to mention he should be impeached for countless reasons. The spy scandal, the IRS scandal, Benghazi coverup, Fast & Furious, Gruber/Obamacare, the list goes on

Forcing conservatives to obey tax laws and pay what they owe to Uncle Sam is an impeachable offense?

If it is under extra scrutiny, then yes

So you're admitting you think conservatives should be above the law.

No I'm saying they should just pay their taxes and be onward like everyone else. If romney was president and the IRS was targeting Liberal groups for extra auditing and such, you'd be up in arms. Oh wait, you probably hate guns
So we wouldn't be up in arms...
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« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2014, 10:09:22 AM »

If Obama forces amnesty on us, why shouldn't they begin impeachment proceedings?

We are not a dictatorship. His goal is to single-handedly and permanently alter the country's demographics.

Not to mention he should be impeached for countless reasons. The spy scandal, the IRS scandal, Benghazi coverup, Fast & Furious, Gruber/Obamacare, the list goes on

Forcing conservatives to obey tax laws and pay what they owe to Uncle Sam is an impeachable offense?

If it is under extra scrutiny, then yes

So you're admitting you think conservatives should be above the law.

No I'm saying they should just pay their taxes and be onward like everyone else. If romney was president and the IRS was targeting Liberal groups for extra auditing and such, you'd be up in arms. Oh wait, you probably hate guns

Extra scrutiny. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2014, 10:29:58 AM »

If Obama forces amnesty on us, why shouldn't they begin impeachment proceedings?

We are not a dictatorship. His goal is to single-handedly and permanently alter the country's demographics.

Not to mention he should be impeached for countless reasons. The spy scandal, the IRS scandal, Benghazi coverup, Fast & Furious, Gruber/Obamacare, the list goes on

Forcing conservatives to obey tax laws and pay what they owe to Uncle Sam is an impeachable offense?

If it is under extra scrutiny, then yes

So you're admitting you think conservatives should be above the law.

No I'm saying they should just pay their taxes and be onward like everyone else. If romney was president and the IRS was targeting Liberal groups for extra auditing and such, you'd be up in arms. Oh wait, you probably hate guns

Nice try. But when you're cheating on your taxes, don't come crying to me and saying you were targeted when you got audited. The whole thing is like the teenage girl who's pissed off about being grounded, never mind the fact that she snuck out in the middle of the night.
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« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2014, 01:35:06 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2014, 01:46:43 PM »

If Obama forces amnesty on us, why shouldn't they begin impeachment proceedings?

We are not a dictatorship. His goal is to single-handedly and permanently alter the country's demographics.

Not to mention he should be impeached for countless reasons. The spy scandal, the IRS scandal, Benghazi coverup, Fast & Furious, Gruber/Obamacare, the list goes on

Forcing conservatives to obey tax laws and pay what they owe to Uncle Sam is an impeachable offense?

If it is under extra scrutiny, then yes

So you're admitting you think conservatives should be above the law.

No I'm saying they should just pay their taxes and be onward like everyone else. If romney was president and the IRS was targeting Liberal groups for extra auditing and such, you'd be up in arms. Oh wait, you probably hate guns

Nice try. But when you're cheating on your taxes, don't come crying to me and saying you were targeted when you got audited. The whole thing is like the teenage girl who's pissed off about being grounded, never mind the fact that she snuck out in the middle of the night.

All there, black and white, clear as crystal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy
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« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2014, 04:12:00 PM »

That is a totally unbiased article. Thank you for sharing it.

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« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2014, 04:35:33 PM »

If Obama forces amnesty on us, why shouldn't they begin impeachment proceedings?

We are not a dictatorship. His goal is to single-handedly and permanently alter the country's demographics.

Not to mention he should be impeached for countless reasons. The spy scandal, the IRS scandal, Benghazi coverup, Fast & Furious, Gruber/Obamacare, the list goes on

Forcing conservatives to obey tax laws and pay what they owe to Uncle Sam is an impeachable offense?

If it is under extra scrutiny, then yes

Someone committing a crime has no cause to complain about the added scrutiny from the police or other law-enforcement agencies. That involves tax laws, too.
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« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2014, 07:29:43 PM »

Boehner won't put it up for a vote. He knows that a Republican White House can just write an executive order rolling back the Obama executive orders and mitigate the damage. The proposed Obama executive order, IIRC, doesn't confer citizenship on the illegal immigrants. A Republican President can probably figure out how to roll back quietly the executive orders. Far better, in short, to ride out the storm of the next two years, convene with Republicans in control of both chambers of Congress, end the filibuster, roll back the executive orders, and pass whatever they want.

It's not the first time this has been done. Bush rolled back Clinton's last minute executive orders. This is in other words not a fight worth picking.

Nobody will be impeached. There's a White House to be won, and the stakes in 2016 are too high for the GOP to play this kind of chicken crap. This isn't 1998 either.
...Except I highly doubt Jeb Bush would roll back this executive order.
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« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2014, 10:37:47 PM »

The republicans really don't know what they're getting into. Let me be clear: Impeach President Obama, and a 2016 presidential race without Hillary becomes very close to Safe D.
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« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2014, 08:14:11 AM »

Boehner won't put it up for a vote. He knows that a Republican White House can just write an executive order rolling back the Obama executive orders and mitigate the damage. The proposed Obama executive order, IIRC, doesn't confer citizenship on the illegal immigrants. A Republican President can probably figure out how to roll back quietly the executive orders. Far better, in short, to ride out the storm of the next two years, convene with Republicans in control of both chambers of Congress, end the filibuster, roll back the executive orders, and pass whatever they want.

It's not the first time this has been done. Bush rolled back Clinton's last minute executive orders. This is in other words not a fight worth picking.

Nobody will be impeached. There's a White House to be won, and the stakes in 2016 are too high for the GOP to play this kind of chicken crap. This isn't 1998 either.

I can't imagine a 2016 campaign where the Democratic candidate doesn't make hay of the fact that a Republican candidate would roll back the EOs, quietly or not.
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« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2014, 08:31:47 AM »

If Obama forces amnesty on us, why shouldn't they begin impeachment proceedings?

We are not a dictatorship. His goal is to single-handedly and permanently alter the country's demographics.

Not to mention he should be impeached for countless reasons. The spy scandal, the IRS scandal, Benghazi coverup, Fast & Furious, Gruber/Obamacare, the list goes on

Forcing conservatives to obey tax laws and pay what they owe to Uncle Sam is an impeachable offense?

If it is under extra scrutiny, then yes

So you're admitting you think conservatives should be above the law.

No I'm saying they should just pay their taxes and be onward like everyone else. If romney was president and the IRS was targeting Liberal groups for extra auditing and such, you'd be up in arms. Oh wait, you probably hate guns

Nice try. But when you're cheating on your taxes, don't come crying to me and saying you were targeted when you got audited. The whole thing is like the teenage girl who's pissed off about being grounded, never mind the fact that she snuck out in the middle of the night.

All there, black and white, clear as crystal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

New Documents Show the IRS Targeted 'Progressive' and 'Tea Party' Groups for Extra Scrutiny

IRS Targeted Progressive Groups, Too, Documents Reveal

IRS inspector general: Liberals also on target list

Do you need more?
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« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2014, 09:35:58 PM »

Boehner won't put it up for a vote. He knows that a Republican White House can just write an executive order rolling back the Obama executive orders and mitigate the damage. The proposed Obama executive order, IIRC, doesn't confer citizenship on the illegal immigrants. A Republican President can probably figure out how to roll back quietly the executive orders. Far better, in short, to ride out the storm of the next two years, convene with Republicans in control of both chambers of Congress, end the filibuster, roll back the executive orders, and pass whatever they want.

It's not the first time this has been done. Bush rolled back Clinton's last minute executive orders. This is in other words not a fight worth picking.

Nobody will be impeached. There's a White House to be won, and the stakes in 2016 are too high for the GOP to play this kind of chicken crap. This isn't 1998 either.

I can't imagine a 2016 campaign where the Democratic candidate doesn't make hay of the fact that a Republican candidate would roll back the EOs, quietly or not.

Yeah, they would make hay of the executive orders. Ultimately, I think if the Republican standard bearer comes out for comprehensive immigration reform, it won't be a problem. The Republican Congress of the 1990s was anti-immigrant and George W. Bush ran as a reformer on immigration, and secured 35% and 44% of the Latino vote in his two runs.

This might do some marginal damage, though. I'm not sure, yet. I was wrong to say that this would be a wash; it might actually motivate some Latinos to vote Democratic that would stay home / consider the Republicans. We'll see.
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