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« on: November 16, 2014, 09:34:50 PM »
« edited: November 16, 2014, 09:40:42 PM by Frodo »

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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2014, 09:42:37 PM »

Maybe not a leftward turn, but yes, presenting an actual f[inks]ing message and getting out the vote would do wonders for Democrats in midterms.
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2014, 09:43:42 PM »

All the money and resources should have been directed toward Colorado, Iowa, North Carolina and Alaska, states where the margins ended up being the narrowest. That's where the mistake was made, because if those states had been the main focus, we would have maintained them. Lots of resources were put into Arkansas, Louisiana and Kentucky, when it would have been better to spend that money elsewhere.

The map to a majority isn't in red states, it's in purple to blue states. Democrats did not go nuclear on people like Gardner and Ernst early enough, they need to totally tank their favorables early on, but they failed to do so.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2014, 09:53:52 PM »

The Democrats put way too many resources into Kentucky. I also thought they should have triaged Pryor earlier on, and diverted those resources. On a third note, they spent a considerable amount of money defending Michigan -- too much, I'd say.
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2014, 09:55:16 PM »

All the money and resources should have been directed toward Colorado, Iowa, North Carolina and Alaska, states where the margins ended up being the narrowest. That's where the mistake was made, because if those states had been the main focus, we would have maintained them. Lots of resources were put into Arkansas, Louisiana and Kentucky, when it would have been better to spend that money elsewhere.

The map to a majority isn't in red states, it's in purple to blue states. Democrats did not go nuclear on people like Gardner and Ernst early enough, they need to totally tank their favorables early on, but they failed to do so.

Progressives spent over somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 million+ against Thom Tillis and attacked him hard early but it still wasn't enough.

What makes you think it would have been any different if the Dems had just concentrated on the states you mentioned? Esp. without hindsight AR, KY, and LA looked holdable.
 
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2014, 10:00:24 PM »

All the money and resources should have been directed toward Colorado, Iowa, North Carolina and Alaska, states where the margins ended up being the narrowest. That's where the mistake was made, because if those states had been the main focus, we would have maintained them. Lots of resources were put into Arkansas, Louisiana and Kentucky, when it would have been better to spend that money elsewhere.

The map to a majority isn't in red states, it's in purple to blue states. Democrats did not go nuclear on people like Gardner and Ernst early enough, they need to totally tank their favorables early on, but they failed to do so.

Progressives spent over somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 million+ against Thom Tillis and attacked him hard early but it still wasn't enough.

What makes you think it would have been any different if the Dems had just concentrated on the states you mentioned? Esp. without hindsight AR, KY, and LA looked holdable.
 

Kentucky wasn't holdable, because we didn't hold it in the first place, Grimes was not an incumbent that McConnell defeated.

Considering the margins, specifically in Colorado, I can't help but think a more aggressive campaign early on would have made the difference. Getting the favorables down early in the key, and that is what Democrats failed to do.
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2014, 10:01:09 PM »

Daily Kos suggested moving Florida and other states that went Republican this year to presidential election years.  I thought that interesting, that the Left viewed the defeat through tactical and strategic lenses, rather than the more simple analysis that they were simply suffering from an unpopular presidency.

Obama at 44% (with 54% disapproving) probably would have replicated a similar result. Democrats stayed home because they were among the ones disillusioned. Moving left would not work if the fundamentals (people feeling good about the economy, etc) were not there.

Exactly,

When you have a President in his 6th year with declining approval ratings and people don't feel good about the way things are going. The result simply isn't going to be good for the incumbent party.

I mean just look at GWB for that example,

I find it very interesting how the Left in general is blaming everything else except the President's unpopularity and their inflexible campaign strategy for what happened on election night.

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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2014, 10:01:30 PM »

If Democrats would just embrace the issues that are liberal in nature than they'll do fine.

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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2014, 10:10:30 PM »

Yes, please do.

America is still a center-right nation on economics. One of the primary things keeping the Democratic Party going strong is the fact that they are probably on the right side of a lot of social issues.
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2014, 10:13:23 PM »

If Democrats would just embrace the issues that are liberal in nature than they'll do fine.

In the states that went for Obama in 2008 and/or 2012, they did attempt that. Udall on abortion in Colorado, Braley ran as a progressive in Iowa. I don't remember much about the Hagan campaign, but they did attempt to run progressive - wise on education. I don't remember many Democrats in non-ruby red states attempting to run as moderates or even conservative. Warner in Virginia is the closest example. But I feel he was a minority, not a representative example.

The theory that Democrats weren't progressive enough is interesting. Democrats attempted to run on issues that they felt were popular with their states' electorates according to the state's lean. The Bannock Street project's $60 million initiative was entirely designed around motivating liberal members of the Obama coalition to show up.

Abortion isn't really a main progressive issue, though. And Braley's problem was all the gaffes he made.
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2014, 10:17:47 PM »

Maybe not a leftward turn, but yes, presenting an actual f[inks]ing message and getting out the vote would do wonders for Democrats in midterms.
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2014, 10:29:30 PM »

Maybe not a leftward turn, but yes, presenting an actual f[inks]ing message and getting out the vote would do wonders for Democrats in midterms.

^This is the correct answer.
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2014, 10:43:50 PM »

Progs need to drop this whole "war on women" BS because that obviously hasn't worked.
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2014, 10:46:31 PM »

Progs need to drop this whole "war on women" BS because that obviously hasn't worked.

It works, which is why some Republicans, like Jeff Gorell, have lied about being pro-choice.
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2014, 01:48:49 AM »

If anyone thinks another ten million was goingto change NC, they obviously don't live in NC.

The ads were saturating already.

What else could have been placed in an add against Tillis.

1) He gutted eduction to -
2) cut taxes for millions, private jets and yachts
3) will take away your medicare,
4) will ban abortion and contraception
5) had a conflict of interest on his staff

They did all that and more.
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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2014, 02:42:25 AM »
« Edited: November 17, 2014, 02:44:23 AM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

Yes, please do.

America is still a center-right nation on economics. One of the primary things keeping the Democratic Party going strong is the fact that they are probably on the right side of a lot of social issues.

LOL, Alaska, Nebraska, Arkansas, and South Dakota voters just voted to raise the minimum wage. Democratic positions tend to do well when they aren't tied to Democrats.
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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2014, 02:48:08 AM »

Supporting the minimum wage doesn't make you a progressive. Rick Santorum supports a minimum wage increase.
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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2014, 06:44:58 AM »

Supporting the minimum wage doesn't make you a progressive. Rick Santorum supports a minimum wage increase.

Then why Republicans refused to even consider raising the federal minimum wage?
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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2014, 11:11:02 AM »

Supporting the minimum wage doesn't make you a progressive. Rick Santorum supports a minimum wage increase.

Rick Santorum is a "compassionate conservative" type, though. Hardly the norm in Republican circles these days.
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2014, 04:27:21 PM »

Its one thing to say your opponent is a right-wing jackhole. Its another to give actual policies.
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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2014, 07:49:41 PM »

When you have a President in his 6th year with declining approval ratings and people don't feel good about the way things are going. The result simply isn't going to be good for the incumbent party.

I mean just look at GWB for that example,

I find it very interesting how the Left in general is blaming everything else except the President's unpopularity and their inflexible campaign strategy for what happened on election night.

It's funny how history somehow manages to repeat itself, huh? But then again, it can't be fundamentals or anything like that, right? Of course not. /sarcasm
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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2014, 08:58:05 PM »

Supporting the minimum wage doesn't make you a progressive. Rick Santorum supports a minimum wage increase.

Then why Republicans refused to even consider raising the federal minimum wage?

1.) It increases costs on businesses
2.) It increases the price of goods
3.) It increases the unemployment rate
4.) It falsely suggests something was done to combat inequality [majority of min. wage earners are kids, not poverty-level single mothers with 19 kids]
5.) There should be no federal minimum wage
6.) It's not that surprising that the GOP doesn't want to work with Harry Reid's party after all of his shenanigans.

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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2014, 10:54:57 AM »

IA and CO, not ARK or LA was the key to the majority and having not acted on immigration reform through the Congress, not executively, we would have say a different result.
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2014, 11:04:35 AM »

Supporting the minimum wage doesn't make you a progressive. Rick Santorum supports a minimum wage increase.

Rick Santorum also supports unions. He's from a part of western Pennsylvania where Republicans have some economic positions that aren't exactly ones that most conservatives usually have.
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2014, 07:22:28 PM »

Supporting the minimum wage doesn't make you a progressive. Rick Santorum supports a minimum wage increase.

Rick Santorum also supports unions. He's from a part of western Pennsylvania where Republicans have some economic positions that aren't exactly ones that most conservatives usually have.

So the Pennsylvanians are different line. That is dirty business man. Tongue

Mitt Romney supports increasing the minimum wage.
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