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JerryArkansas
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« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2014, 07:17:22 PM »

I think we should run four states, one after the next.

First with a simple state, next with a small, a medium/large, and if some of us want one of the big four.
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« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2014, 10:04:04 PM »

Also what preferences does everyone have for states? The biggest question to figure out is the number of districts we want to work with, I think. Which categories in the following tier list are acceptable to y'all? At what point, if any, will the exercise become too big or too small?

Big Four: CA/TX/FL/NY
Large States: IL/PA/OH/MI/GA/NC
Medium States: NJ/VA/WA/AZ/IN/TN/MA
Small States: MD/WI/MO/MN/AL/SC/CO
Tiny States: KY/LA/CT/OK/OR
Simple States: the rest (four districts or less)



I would prefer to avoid the Big Four (Otherwise known as the computer crashers).

Of the large states, IL, PA, OH, MI can also slow down stuff (this is less of a problem in NC/GA due to smaller precinct sizes).

If people want a state with a sort of large, densely populated 'metro' feeling like NY or CA, may I suggest NJ? It has a lot of districts and tends to feel larger when one draws it.
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2014, 05:28:02 PM »

Also what preferences does everyone have for states? The biggest question to figure out is the number of districts we want to work with, I think. Which categories in the following tier list are acceptable to y'all? At what point, if any, will the exercise become too big or too small?

Big Four: CA/TX/FL/NY
Large States: IL/PA/OH/MI/GA/NC
Medium States: NJ/VA/WA/AZ/IN/TN/MA
Small States: MD/WI/MO/MN/AL/SC/CO
Tiny States: KY/LA/CT/OK/OR
Simple States: the rest (four districts or less)



I would prefer to avoid the Big Four (Otherwise known as the computer crashers).

Of the large states, IL, PA, OH, MI can also slow down stuff (this is less of a problem in NC/GA due to smaller precinct sizes).

If people want a state with a sort of large, densely populated 'metro' feeling like NY or CA, may I suggest NJ? It has a lot of districts and tends to feel larger when one draws it.


NY and California crash DRA for me, but Florida and Texas are fine.
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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2014, 06:08:17 PM »
« Edited: November 20, 2014, 06:11:02 PM by Cardinal X »

My vote would be to start with a small state although Virginia would also be interesting for the reason Muon mentioned (also I'm a Democrat, I only have a G-OK avatar until Mecha is unbanned).
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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2014, 08:49:45 PM »

Maybe potential commissioners could vote for states they would be interested in (approval voting) and then count those votes after the commissioners were selected at lot.

Or perhaps rate the states + 0 -.

The first decision of the commissioners would then to be choose the state from among those which they had expressed the most interest.

This does not preclude doing additional states with the same commissioners or others.
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« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2014, 09:43:46 PM »

Some would like to start with a smaller state, so let me add another specific vote to take. I'll pick three smaller states that could also make interesting candidates that had legislative gerrymandering. If simpler is better to start, it's helpful if they don't involve the VRA and do have lots of internal political units to guide map making.

KY: 6 CDs, no VRA issues, lots of counties, bipartisan compromise for incumbents.

WI: 8 CDs, no VRA issues, townships to guide county chops, Pub gerrymander.

IN: 9 CDs, no VRA issues, townships to guide county chops, Pub gerrymander.

VA: 11 CDs, VRA issue, lots of counties and independent cities, Pub gerrymander and court challenge.

Since the non-commissioners will also be participating with maps, I think everyone should vote for the state. I like the idea of approval voting, so vote for any number of the states in the list.
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« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2014, 09:47:01 PM »

I vote for KY, it should be an easy state to start off with.
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« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2014, 10:36:32 PM »

Some would like to start with a smaller state, so let me add another specific vote to take. I'll pick three smaller states that could also make interesting candidates that had legislative gerrymandering. If simpler is better to start, it's helpful if they don't involve the VRA and do have lots of internal political units to guide map making.

KY: 6 CDs, no VRA issues, lots of counties, bipartisan compromise for incumbents.

WI: 8 CDs, no VRA issues, townships to guide county chops, Pub gerrymander.

IN: 9 CDs, no VRA issues, townships to guide county chops, Pub gerrymander.

VA: 11 CDs, VRA issue, lots of counties and independent cities, Pub gerrymander and court challenge.

Since the non-commissioners will also be participating with maps, I think everyone should vote for the state. I like the idea of approval voting, so vote for any number of the states in the list.
IN+
WI+
VA+

KY o
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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2014, 10:48:47 PM »

1. Wisconsin
2. Virginia
3. Kentucky
4. Indiana
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« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2014, 10:55:55 PM »

I think the Congressional districts for Kentucky are pretty good as they are, I mean, Louisville actually gets a congressional district to itself instead of being split between multiple districts that extend into the rural regions of the state.
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« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2014, 11:06:13 PM »

I think the best order to do it would be:

1. Virginia
2. Wisconsin
3. Indiana
4. Kentucky

Bottom two are relatively normal maps. Virginia goes top because that map has actually been struck down.
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« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2014, 11:06:16 PM »

Approve: Indiana, Virginia, Wisconsin
Disapprove: Kentucky
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« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2014, 12:57:26 AM »

I'll submit:

-North Carolina
-Virginia
-Tennessee
-Connecticut
-Colorado
-Pennsylvania
-And most of the "simple" states.

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« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2014, 01:04:34 AM »

So we can submit any states we want to change?
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« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2014, 01:11:55 AM »

1) Virginia
2) Wisconsin
3) Indiana
4) Kentucky
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« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2014, 01:27:06 AM »

Approve: Indiana, Virginia, Wisconsin, Washington
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« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2014, 01:40:59 AM »

Sorry to spam the thread, but I'd like to request that you guys add Washington State to your lists.  It's map is atrocious; it basically strings (gerrymanders) all the towns North of Seattle to make the second district safe for Democrats, and combines the Seattle suburbs with heavily Republican counties in the East (which is bad taste in the first place) to make it non-competitive:




Terrible, terrible map.  
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« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2014, 02:31:09 AM »

Sorry to spam the thread, but I'd like to request that you guys add Washington State to your lists.  It's map is atrocious; it basically strings (gerrymanders) all the towns North of Seattle to make the second district safe for Democrats, and combines the Seattle suburbs with heavily Republican counties in the East (which is bad taste in the first place) to make it non-competitive:




Terrible, terrible map. 

IIRC there are also issues about small/seasonal mountain roadways being the only routes connecting districts over the crest of the Cascade Range (and it looks like two districts cross over the range when one would have been sufficient)
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« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2014, 06:12:02 AM »

Sorry to spam the thread, but I'd like to request that you guys add Washington State to your lists.  It's map is atrocious; it basically strings (gerrymanders) all the towns North of Seattle to make the second district safe for Democrats, and combines the Seattle suburbs with heavily Republican counties in the East (which is bad taste in the first place) to make it non-competitive:




Terrible, terrible map. 

IIRC there are also issues about small/seasonal mountain roadways being the only routes connecting districts over the crest of the Cascade Range (and it looks like two districts cross over the range when one would have been sufficient)

Okanogan and Whatcom are the counties that shouldn't connect due to the routes being impassible for most of the year, but they aren't connected in the current map. Chelan and Kittitas connect via major highways to King County.

Also I think the Cascades rule is overrated. You only HAVE to do it once, but unless you do it twice the 3rd has to split counties unnecessarily.
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« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2014, 04:00:57 PM »

Think I'll have to beg out of the commission itself; I won't be able to guarantee I can be around and putting in the sort of time this project wants.

I'll probably still submit some maps from the peanut gallery.
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« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2014, 09:25:44 AM »

There is currently a tie between VA and WI for the first state for the commission. Please vote for just one of those two to break the tie. Voting will close at 11:59 EST tonight.

The following posters have applied for the commission (I think). Some posters voted for the state, but did not clearly indicate if they wanted to be considered for the commission. If that included you and you meant to be on the list, please indicate some time today. If you didn't mean to be on the list, also indicate that today. Tomorrow I'll make a random draw of five commissioners and two alternates such that no party gets a majority.

JerryArkansas (R)
Dixie (R)
Del Tachi (R)

Averroes Nix (D)
Morgieb (D)
Gass (D)
Bacon King (D)
X (D)

SLCValleyMan (G)
Fuzzybigfoot (G)

Electionsguy (L)

Sol (I)
Miles (I)
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« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2014, 02:42:54 PM »

The commissioners are

Morgieb
Miles
Fuzzybigfoot
Dixie
Del Tachi

and the alternates are

ElectionsGuy
X

I still need some tie breaking votes for the state (WI or VA).
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« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2014, 02:49:17 PM »

Go with WI
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« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2014, 02:53:20 PM »

I can do either of Wisconsin or Virginia
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« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2014, 05:15:55 PM »

Virginia
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