Forum Redistricting Commission

[Bacon King]

As I am not a member of the commission I will be playing the role of an interest group's representative who will be relentlessly hounding the commissioners (the interest group in question will depend on the state)

[Miles]

Virginia

[JerryArkansas]

As I am not a member of the commission I will be playing the role of an interest group's representative who will be relentlessly hounding the commissioners (the interest group in question will depend on the state)

As will I.  If you guys do go for VA, I call the NAACP.

[Sol]

Interested in being a lobbyist of some sort too. And I say Wisconsin.

[muon2]

Great to see so many lobsters. They'll get to submit their plans to the commission, too.

Once the state is selected (yes it's still tied by my count), the commission will have to vote on the criteria to produce a map.

My thoughts on commission votes is that it takes 3 votes to pass the commission. The alternates may vote, but their votes will only count if one or two commissioners fails to vote on a matter before the commission. In the spirit of crowdsourcing the final product, other posters may urge the commission to vote in a particular way during the discussion/voting period. Commissioners can vote at any time during the discussion/voting period and the vote can be changed, with only the last vote counted.

[morgieb]

In favour of Virginia fwiw.

[Del Tachi]

Let's do Virginia

[Bacon King]

Since it appears to be close to a consensus, I'll change my earlier vote to just Virginia

[Miles]

^ Commissioner Miles agrees with the format criteria Muon described for Item I.

[publicunofficial]

Seems like a fair format to me.

[morgieb]

Yeah sounds pretty solid.

I'll get cracking soon enough with a draft for Virginia.

[publicunofficial]

Here's my initial Virginia map.







District 1 (Blue)

• Deviation: 290
• Election 2008: John McCain - 54.4%, Barack Obama - 44.7%
• Racial Breakdown: 73% White, 15.3% Black, 6.2% Hispanic

District 2 (Green)

• Deviation: -422
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 49.8%, John McCain - 49.4%
• Racial Breakdown: 62.6% White, 23.3% Black, 5.9% Hispanic

District 3 (Purple)

• Deviation: -30
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 64%, John McCain - 35.2%
• Racial Breakdown: 48.8% White, 35.2% Black, 5.9% Hispanic

District 4 (Red)

• Deviation: 83
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 67.6%, John McCain - 31.7%
• Racial Breakdown: 51.8% Black, 39.3% White, 5.2% Hispanic

District 5 (Yellow)

• Deviation: -903
• Election 2008: John McCain - 51.2%, Barack Obama - 47.8%
• Racial Breakdown: 71.7% White, 21.5% Black

District 6 (Teal)

• Deviation: 586
• Election 2008: John McCain - 56.4%, Barack Obama - 42.5%
• Racial Breakdown: 83.9% White, 7.9% Black, 5.1% Hispanic

District 7 (Silver)

• Deviation: 352
• Election 2008: John McCain - 57.9%, Barack Obama - 41.3%
• Racial Breakdown: 76.2% White, 13.1% Black

District 8 (Slate Blue)

• Deviation: 384
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 68.2%, John McCain - 30.9%
• Racial Breakdown: 52.8% White, 12.9% Black, 18.2% Hispanic 19.7%, 11.5% Asian

District 9 (Light Blue)

• Deviation: 501
• Election 2008: John McCain - 59.5%, Barack Obama - 39.1%
• Racial Breakdown: 91.8% White

District 10 (Pink)

• Deviation: -219
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 57.4%, John McCain - 41.9%
• Racial Breakdown: 61.4% White, 6.2% Black, 11.6% Hispanic, 17.3% Asian

District 11 (Light Green)

• Deviation: -624
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 58%, John McCain - 41.3%
• Racial Breakdown: 51.3% White, 14.8% Black, 18.2% Hispanic, 12% Asian

Things I like about my map:
-District 6 is pretty much just Shenandoah Valley + Roanoke, making a very clean CoI
-Clean Majority-Minority district (VA-03), along with a black majority district (VA-04)
-Very few splits around Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Newport area. Most maps I've seen cut this area to shreds.
-5 Solid Democratic districts, 4 Solid Republican districts, 2 competitive Districts (VA-02 and VA-05)

Dislikes:
-I'd like to keep Richmond whole, but doing so would force multiple splits around Chesapeake Bay in order to form a majority-black district.
-More county splits than probably necessary.[/list]

[Fuzzybigfoot]

Fuzzy approves.

[morgieb]

I'll make my own map later, but that looks fairly sweet.

[muon2]

Fuzzy approves.

Is this your vote? If so, are you voting on all three items before the commission?

[muon2]

Here's my initial Virginia map.







District 1 (Blue)

• Deviation: 290
• Election 2008: John McCain - 54.4%, Barack Obama - 44.7%
• Racial Breakdown: 73% White, 15.3% Black, 6.2% Hispanic

District 2 (Green)

• Deviation: -422
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 49.8%, John McCain - 49.4%
• Racial Breakdown: 62.6% White, 23.3% Black, 5.9% Hispanic

District 3 (Purple)

• Deviation: -30
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 64%, John McCain - 35.2%
• Racial Breakdown: 48.8% White, 35.2% Black, 5.9% Hispanic

District 4 (Red)

• Deviation: 83
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 67.6%, John McCain - 31.7%
• Racial Breakdown: 51.8% Black, 39.3% White, 5.2% Hispanic

District 5 (Yellow)

• Deviation: -903
• Election 2008: John McCain - 51.2%, Barack Obama - 47.8%
• Racial Breakdown: 71.7% White, 21.5% Black

District 6 (Teal)

• Deviation: 586
• Election 2008: John McCain - 56.4%, Barack Obama - 42.5%
• Racial Breakdown: 83.9% White, 7.9% Black, 5.1% Hispanic

District 7 (Silver)

• Deviation: 352
• Election 2008: John McCain - 57.9%, Barack Obama - 41.3%
• Racial Breakdown: 76.2% White, 13.1% Black

District 8 (Slate Blue)

• Deviation: 384
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 68.2%, John McCain - 30.9%
• Racial Breakdown: 52.8% White, 12.9% Black, 18.2% Hispanic 19.7%, 11.5% Asian

District 9 (Light Blue)

• Deviation: 501
• Election 2008: John McCain - 59.5%, Barack Obama - 39.1%
• Racial Breakdown: 91.8% White

District 10 (Pink)

• Deviation: -219
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 57.4%, John McCain - 41.9%
• Racial Breakdown: 61.4% White, 6.2% Black, 11.6% Hispanic, 17.3% Asian

District 11 (Light Green)

• Deviation: -624
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 58%, John McCain - 41.3%
• Racial Breakdown: 51.3% White, 14.8% Black, 18.2% Hispanic, 12% Asian

Things I like about my map:
-District 6 is pretty much just Shenandoah Valley + Roanoke, making a very clean CoI
-Clean Majority-Minority district (VA-03), along with a black majority district (VA-04)
-Very few splits around Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Newport area. Most maps I've seen cut this area to shreds.
-5 Solid Democratic districts, 4 Solid Republican districts, 2 competitive Districts (VA-02 and VA-05)

Dislikes:
-I'd like to keep Richmond whole, but doing so would force multiple splits around Chesapeake Bay in order to form a majority-black district.
-More county splits than probably necessary.[/list]

Nice work, particularly describing your pros and cons. Some of those, like county chops, should become quantified once the scoring system is approved. Normally a commission wouldn't take submissions until all the rules are approved, but in a crowdsourcing environment, submissions will happen as soon as web links are up. However, if item 1 is adopted, you'll need to resubmit your detail maps with City/Town lines turned on to be considered by the commission. Chops of municipalities within counties will be proposed as part of the measures, so they need to be assessed.

[Torie]

Muon2, are you going to use the state highway chop count as a proxy to measure erosity? Do highway chops within chopped counties count for this category?  Is there going to be some pareto optimality metric?

[muon2]

Muon2, are you going to use the state highway chop count as a proxy to measure erosity? Do highway chops within chopped counties count for this category?  Is there going to be some pareto optimality metric?

The Pareto optimality provision is embodied in item 3 above. It accepts all maps that are on the Pareto frontier defined by chop and erosity scores. Inequality is used to reduce the number of maps that would be at the same point on the frontier.

I have spent a bit of time analyzing my earlier work on erosity. At the county level, I will propose the cut set of state highways that we have looked at before. I have some suggested refinements for mega-chopped counties such as Fairfax so that erosity is reduced in heavily populated areas where state highways are no longer the best metric. There will also be some discussion about what constitutes connectivity in the Hampton Roads area and I'm working on a primer to facilitate that. There may also be some amendments proposed to deal with independent cities that were forced by statute to take over some of their state highways.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I approve of the three items; and commend the excellent work on the part of angrygreatness!  Btw, Electionsguy should probably be added to the commission since I believe Dixie (a Republican commissioner) said he was leaving the forum permanently last night.

[muon2]

I approve of the three items; and commend the excellent work on the part of angrygreatness!  Btw, Electionsguy should probably be added to the commission since I believe Dixie (a Republican commissioner) said he was leaving the forum permanently last night.

I see Dixie has just posted a departure thread on FC, so that would seem to confirm your statement. Unless I hear otherwise in the next day, I will replace Dixie. That moves ElectionsGuy onto the commission and you (X) to first alternate. I've drawn SLCValleyMan as the new second alternate.

[jimrtex]

Here's my initial Virginia map.

District 1 (Blue)

• Deviation: 290
• Election 2008: John McCain - 54.4%, Barack Obama - 44.7%
• Racial Breakdown: 73% White, 15.3% Black, 6.2% Hispanic

District 2 (Green)

• Deviation: -422
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 49.8%, John McCain - 49.4%
• Racial Breakdown: 62.6% White, 23.3% Black, 5.9% Hispanic

District 3 (Purple)

• Deviation: -30
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 64%, John McCain - 35.2%
• Racial Breakdown: 48.8% White, 35.2% Black, 5.9% Hispanic

District 4 (Red)

• Deviation: 83
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 67.6%, John McCain - 31.7%
• Racial Breakdown: 51.8% Black, 39.3% White, 5.2% Hispanic

District 5 (Yellow)

• Deviation: -903
• Election 2008: John McCain - 51.2%, Barack Obama - 47.8%
• Racial Breakdown: 71.7% White, 21.5% Black

District 6 (Teal)

• Deviation: 586
• Election 2008: John McCain - 56.4%, Barack Obama - 42.5%
• Racial Breakdown: 83.9% White, 7.9% Black, 5.1% Hispanic

District 7 (Silver)

• Deviation: 352
• Election 2008: John McCain - 57.9%, Barack Obama - 41.3%
• Racial Breakdown: 76.2% White, 13.1% Black

District 8 (Slate Blue)

• Deviation: 384
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 68.2%, John McCain - 30.9%
• Racial Breakdown: 52.8% White, 12.9% Black, 18.2% Hispanic 19.7%, 11.5% Asian

District 9 (Light Blue)

• Deviation: 501
• Election 2008: John McCain - 59.5%, Barack Obama - 39.1%
• Racial Breakdown: 91.8% White

District 10 (Pink)

• Deviation: -219
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 57.4%, John McCain - 41.9%
• Racial Breakdown: 61.4% White, 6.2% Black, 11.6% Hispanic, 17.3% Asian

District 11 (Light Green)

• Deviation: -624
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 58%, John McCain - 41.3%
• Racial Breakdown: 51.3% White, 14.8% Black, 18.2% Hispanic, 12% Asian

-Clean Majority-Minority district (VA-03), along with a black majority district (VA-04)

Why don't your racial percentages don't total to 100%?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Here's my initial Virginia map.

District 1 (Blue)

• Deviation: 290
• Election 2008: John McCain - 54.4%, Barack Obama - 44.7%
• Racial Breakdown: 73% White, 15.3% Black, 6.2% Hispanic

District 2 (Green)

• Deviation: -422
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 49.8%, John McCain - 49.4%
• Racial Breakdown: 62.6% White, 23.3% Black, 5.9% Hispanic

District 3 (Purple)

• Deviation: -30
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 64%, John McCain - 35.2%
• Racial Breakdown: 48.8% White, 35.2% Black, 5.9% Hispanic

District 4 (Red)

• Deviation: 83
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 67.6%, John McCain - 31.7%
• Racial Breakdown: 51.8% Black, 39.3% White, 5.2% Hispanic

District 5 (Yellow)

• Deviation: -903
• Election 2008: John McCain - 51.2%, Barack Obama - 47.8%
• Racial Breakdown: 71.7% White, 21.5% Black

District 6 (Teal)

• Deviation: 586
• Election 2008: John McCain - 56.4%, Barack Obama - 42.5%
• Racial Breakdown: 83.9% White, 7.9% Black, 5.1% Hispanic

District 7 (Silver)

• Deviation: 352
• Election 2008: John McCain - 57.9%, Barack Obama - 41.3%
• Racial Breakdown: 76.2% White, 13.1% Black

District 8 (Slate Blue)

• Deviation: 384
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 68.2%, John McCain - 30.9%
• Racial Breakdown: 52.8% White, 12.9% Black, 18.2% Hispanic 19.7%, 11.5% Asian

District 9 (Light Blue)

• Deviation: 501
• Election 2008: John McCain - 59.5%, Barack Obama - 39.1%
• Racial Breakdown: 91.8% White

District 10 (Pink)

• Deviation: -219
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 57.4%, John McCain - 41.9%
• Racial Breakdown: 61.4% White, 6.2% Black, 11.6% Hispanic, 17.3% Asian

District 11 (Light Green)

• Deviation: -624
• Election 2008: Barack Obama - 58%, John McCain - 41.3%
• Racial Breakdown: 51.3% White, 14.8% Black, 18.2% Hispanic, 12% Asian

-Clean Majority-Minority district (VA-03), along with a black majority district (VA-04)

Why don't your racial percentages don't total to 100%?

He's probably leaving out groups that account for less than 5% of the districts' populations'.

[Miles]

My submission for VA. My CD3 is 50.6% BVAP

[Torie]

Muon2, are you going to use the state highway chop count as a proxy to measure erosity? Do highway chops within chopped counties count for this category?  Is there going to be some pareto optimality metric?

Thank you. I look forward to your thoughts on intra county chops. Pity I got deflected from our project. In my semi retirement there are just not enough hours in the day, and now I have Hudson on my mind.

[muon2]

I just want to remind the commissioners (and alternates) to vote on the three items before them. I'll continue with detailed implementation items after this basic outline is agreed to.