Former Virginia Senator Jim Webb launches exploratory committee!

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Uh, okay.

Good luck selling books, Webb!

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While I'm all for challenging Hillary from the left, it might be better to have someone a little more liberal do that.

I don't even see how Webb is to Hillary's left at all. If you look at Senate voting records, he's actually to her right. It shows how desperate "progressive media outlets" are, not out of conviction but out of personal spite against Hillary, that they're willing to embrace him.

I mean, I guess he could pull a Romney and flip flop into being "severely liberal", but would anyone really buy that?

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His immigration position being a "concern" is a bit of an understatement, considering how dependent among Latinos the Democratic coalition has become.

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His immigration position being a "concern" is a bit of an understatement, considering how dependent among Latinos the Democratic coalition has become.

Not if they can win back the white working class.

Yeah, and the GOP would have a permanent majority if they could win back blacks.

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His immigration position being a "concern" is a bit of an understatement, considering how dependent among Latinos the Democratic coalition has become.

Not if they can win back the white working class.

Yeah, and the GOP would have a permanent majority if they could win back blacks.

Webb can win back whites.
For the GOP to win back blacks, the generation of blacks that were activists at the time of the Civil Rights Act would have to die out first.

Based on what? Obama outperformed Webb in Virginia twice.

Just because you're a white Southern male doesn't make you suddenly appeal to working class whites (see: Gore, Al).

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His immigration position being a "concern" is a bit of an understatement, considering how dependent among Latinos the Democratic coalition has become.

Not if they can win back the white working class.

Yeah, and the GOP would have a permanent majority if they could win back blacks.

Webb can win back whites.
For the GOP to win back blacks, the generation of blacks that were activists at the time of the Civil Rights Act would have to die out first.

Based on what? Obama outperformed Webb in Virginia twice.

Just because you're a white Southern male doesn't make you suddenly appeal to working class whites (see: Gore, Al).

You've got a point, but in Gore's defense, this was his opponent:

A Yale-educated guy from Connecticut who was born into a wealthy political dynasty?

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While I'm all for challenging Hillary from the left, it might be better to have someone a little more liberal do that.

I mean, I guess he could pull a Romney and flip flop into being "severely liberal", but would anyone really buy that?

Or Romney could pull a Romney and refashion himself as a severely liberal Democrat who deserves all the credit for signing the proto-Obamacare into law.

Would the "progressive media outlets" then embrace him because muh anti-Hillary?

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His immigration position being a "concern" is a bit of an understatement, considering how dependent among Latinos the Democratic coalition has become.

Not if they can win back the white working class.

Yeah, and the GOP would have a permanent majority if they could win back blacks.

Webb can win back whites.
For the GOP to win back blacks, the generation of blacks that were activists at the time of the Civil Rights Act would have to die out first.

Based on what? Obama outperformed Webb in Virginia twice.

Just because you're a white Southern male doesn't make you suddenly appeal to working class whites (see: Gore, Al).

Obama wasn't running against an incumbent Senator and a heavily entrenched Virginia politico. Taking results out of context like that is pretty terrible analysis and I'm sure you know better.

Allen was an incumbent yes, but at least McCain and Romney weren't flagrant racists.

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Do people here legitimately think Webb has a shot? LOL

Of course not. But it was inevitable that the media and the anti-Hillary people would immediately embrace and orgasm over the first Democrat who wasn't Hillary to declare. In fact, maybe that's why Webb announced first. He probably knew he'd get no attention whatsoever if he announced after Bernie Sanders or Martin O'Malley.

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Do people here legitimately think Webb has a shot? LOL

Of course not. But it was inevitable that the media and the anti-Hillary people would immediately embrace and orgasm over the first Democrat who wasn't Hillary to declare. In fact, maybe that's why Webb announced first. He probably knew he'd get no attention whatsoever if he announced after Bernie Sanders or Martin O'Malley.

It's obvious that you only oppose Webb because he's a non-denomentational Christian.  Where was your outrage over Tom Vilsack running against Hillary in 2008?  Where was your outrage over Mitt Romney running against Hillary in 2008?  Where was your outrage about Jonathan Tasini running against Hillary in 2006?  Where was your outrage when John Kerry ran instead of Hillary in 2004?  Where was your outrage about Rick Lazio running against Hillary in 2000?  Show me specific posts documenting your outrage in each of these instances   Perhaps you might be more comfortable with a blue-avatar (then again, I doubt even the Republicans would wage such an appalling smear campaign simply to defeat the first non-denomential Christian President).

LOL.

I actually have bashed Tasini and Lazio on here. Kerry and Romney never ran against Hillary, and Vilsack was too irrelevant to bash.

Anyway, I know you're kidding, but I'm not even "outraged" about Webb running. I wasn't being sarcastic when I said I hope he sells a lot of books. He deserves it for beating Macaca.

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Do people here legitimately think Webb has a shot? LOL

Of course not. But it was inevitable that the media and the anti-Hillary people would immediately embrace and orgasm over the first Democrat who wasn't Hillary to declare. In fact, maybe that's why Webb announced first. He probably knew he'd get no attention whatsoever if he announced after Bernie Sanders or Martin O'Malley.

It's obvious that you only oppose Webb because he's a non-denomentational Christian.  Where was your outrage over Tom Vilsack running against Hillary in 2008?  Where was your outrage over Mitt Romney running against Hillary in 2008?  Where was your outrage about Jonathan Tasini running against Hillary in 2006?  Where was your outrage when John Kerry ran instead of Hillary in 2004?  Where was your outrage about Rick Lazio running against Hillary in 2000?  Show me specific posts documenting your outrage in each of these instances   Perhaps you might be more comfortable with a blue-avatar (then again, I doubt even the Republicans would wage such an appalling smear campaign simply to defeat the first non-denomential Christian President).

LOL.

I actually have bashed Tasini and Lazio on here. Kerry and Romney never ran against Hillary, and Vilsack was too irrelevant to bash.

Anyway, I know you're kidding, but I'm not even "outraged" about Webb running. I wasn't being sarcastic when I said I hope he sells a lot of books. He deserves it for beating Macaca.

I'm pretty sure Romney ran against Hillary in 2008

Did he? I didn't really follow the 2008 GOP primary, but I'd imagine they were too focused on their own contests to worry about the candidates in the Democratic primary.

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Two more Webb nuggets: He apparently refused to "shake John Kerry's hand for 20 years" because of Kerry's anti-Vietnam War activities, though did end up voting for him in 2004:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042801994.html

And on climate change:

http://grist.org/politics/jim-webb-sucks-on-climate-change/

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The liberal champion we've all been waiting for!

At this rate he might be able to win the West Virginia and Oklahoma primaries.