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« on: November 20, 2014, 02:06:40 PM »

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/jim-webb-would-make-a-good-anti-clinton-in-2016/
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2014, 02:09:59 PM »

Endorsed.
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2014, 02:20:43 PM »

How dare he oppose the chosen one!
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2014, 02:29:08 PM »


What? No one has ever said merely running against her is offensive. In April, Hillary herself even gave her blessing for Martin O'Malley to start campaigning. Of course, according to Lichtman's 13 keys, having a genuinely competitive primary would damage the Democrats, but it's certainly Webb's right to run if he wants. Perhaps he'll pull Clinton towards the center?
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2014, 03:04:48 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2014, 03:08:53 PM »

LOL, 538 has really gone off the deep end. If they think that a former Republican can effectively challenge Clinton in a Democratic primary from the left, they no longer deserve to be considered a serious news site.
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2014, 03:12:05 PM »


Lol, you're not even a Democrat - you were gloating about how "250 is such a beautiful number" for Republicans in the House. What does it say about Webb that he is being 'endorsed' by people such as yourself?
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2014, 03:12:29 PM »

LOL, 538 has really gone off the deep end. If they think that a former Republican can effectively challenge Clinton in a Democratic primary from the left, they no longer deserve to be considered a serious news site.

I agree with them. I guess, we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2014, 03:14:22 PM »

ooh they so sensitive
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2014, 03:14:40 PM »

LOL, 538 has really gone off the deep end. If they think that a former Republican can effectively challenge Clinton in a Democratic primary from the left, they no longer deserve to be considered a serious news site.

I happen to agree with them. I guess, we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?


Then you're also off the deep end Roll Eyes

...but we already knew that.
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2014, 03:15:17 PM »


Lol, you're not even a Democrat - you were gloating about how "250 is such a beautiful number" for Republicans in the House. What does it say about Webb that he is being 'endorsed' by people such as yourself?

No, I am not. But Webb is a much better general election candidate than Clinton. He could draw bipartisan support.
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2014, 03:17:49 PM »

Jim Webb wouldn't make a good anything, politically.

His Senate career was less than stellar, he served in the Reagan Administration, and he's about as charismatic as linoleum flooring.

He has an interesting pre-political career, but I just can't see a world where he makes anything remotely close to a "serious" challenge to Hillary Clinton.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2014, 03:19:30 PM »


Lol, you're not even a Democrat - you were gloating about how "250 is such a beautiful number" for Republicans in the House. What does it say about Webb that he is being 'endorsed' by people such as yourself?

No, I am not. But Webb is a much better general election candidate than Clinton. He could draw bipartisan support.

That's what they said about Obama. Obama got 18,000 people to caucus for him in blood-red Idaho, remember? I didn't know there were that many people in Idaho. A year later, he couldn't even address Congress without getting heckled. This kind of thing is just baloney thrown out by people who are afraid of Hillary.
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2014, 03:19:39 PM »

Silver might be a wiz with the numbers but headlines like that make me doubt about his political astuteness.  
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2014, 03:20:23 PM »

Jim Webb wouldn't make a good anything, politically.

His Senate career was less than stellar, he served in the Reagan Administration, and he's about as charismatic as linoleum flooring.

He has an interesting pre-political career, but I just can't see a world where he makes anything remotely close to a "serious" challenge to Hillary Clinton.

If nothing else, he's a hell of a lot more charismatic than Hillary Clinton.
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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2014, 03:21:41 PM »

That's a very interesting article, and I think he would probably be able to appeal to disaffected leftists if Sanders is not in the race and they want a serious 2nd challenger because O'Malley - no matter how liberal he is - just doesn't the immediate appeal because he doesn't have socialist next to his name or anti-Wall Street crusader like Warren. Outside of Sanders, I would think they could settle for whoever is in 2nd place. I also think a lot of liberals still idolize Hillary and want her to be the first female president despite her positions so it's obviously highly unlikely they switch unless there is mainstream buzz about Wall Street throwing money at her and it gets taken seriously.

You would think Schweitzer could have been pretty successful as a liberal with moderate appeal rather than attempting to get a moderate to appeal to the left. I think the energy positions on coal and Keystone XL (and to extent guns but not really) turns a lot of real liberals off though (and the comments about southern men didn't help though I think they'd get over that). It's similar to Huntsman '08 who was very far right on economic matters - far more right wing than Santorum or Bachmann could ever dream to be -  but the support for gays kind of killed him with authoritarian conservatives/rural Religious Right and he was stuck with only moderate appeal - and just barely at that. Both Schweitzer and Huntsman are theoretically great candidates but one issue killed them.

Webb could pile up a good deal of the vote as an anti-Hillary, but I still don't see a moderate white man picking up more than half of the true left vote even if he were the only alternative to the first female presidential nominee. If he got 20-25% as a 2nd place (and Hillary was down around 40-50), I wouldn't be shocked, but Sanders is going to be getting the 10% of leftists in reality.
20-25% is far more than he deserves in a Democratic primary as a 1 term Senator so he should take that if he can get it.
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2014, 03:22:50 PM »


Lol, you're not even a Democrat - you were gloating about how "250 is such a beautiful number" for Republicans in the House. What does it say about Webb that he is being 'endorsed' by people such as yourself?

No, I am not. But Webb is a much better general election candidate than Clinton. He could draw bipartisan support.

That's what they said about Obama. Obama got 18,000 people to caucus for him in blood-red Idaho, remember? I didn't know there were that many people in Idaho. A year later, he couldn't even address Congress without getting heckled. This kind of thing is just baloney thrown out by people who are afraid of Hillary.

I was very much pro Obama in 2008.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2014, 03:27:33 PM »


Lol, you're not even a Democrat - you were gloating about how "250 is such a beautiful number" for Republicans in the House. What does it say about Webb that he is being 'endorsed' by people such as yourself?

No, I am not. But Webb is a much better general election candidate than Clinton. He could draw bipartisan support.

That's what they said about Obama. Obama got 18,000 people to caucus for him in blood-red Idaho, remember? I didn't know there were that many people in Idaho. A year later, he couldn't even address Congress without getting heckled. This kind of thing is just baloney thrown out by people who are afraid of Hillary.

I was very much pro Obama in 2008.


I'm not surprised. My point is that there are a lot of people who will support anyone just because they're running against Hillary, regardless of their actual politics.
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2014, 03:32:36 PM »


Lol, you're not even a Democrat - you were gloating about how "250 is such a beautiful number" for Republicans in the House. What does it say about Webb that he is being 'endorsed' by people such as yourself?

No, I am not. But Webb is a much better general election candidate than Clinton. He could draw bipartisan support.

That's what they said about Obama. Obama got 18,000 people to caucus for him in blood-red Idaho, remember? I didn't know there were that many people in Idaho. A year later, he couldn't even address Congress without getting heckled. This kind of thing is just baloney thrown out by people who are afraid of Hillary.

I was very much pro Obama in 2008.


I'm not surprised. My point is that there are a lot of people who will support anyone just because they're running against Hillary, regardless of their actual politics.

Back in 2008, I really liked Obama and what he campaigned on. I also like Webb, a tad less though. Obama's promises then (not his policies) and Web's promises now (and hopefully his policies) are something I'd support.

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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2014, 03:35:42 PM »

LOL, 538 has really gone off the deep end. If they think that a former Republican can effectively challenge Clinton in a Democratic primary from the left, they no longer deserve to be considered a serious news site.

Hillary's also a former Republican? so it's insignificant?
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2014, 03:39:40 PM »

LOL, 538 has really gone off the deep end. If they think that a former Republican can effectively challenge Clinton in a Democratic primary from the left, they no longer deserve to be considered a serious news site.

Hillary's also a former Republican? so it's insignificant?

Hillary was a Republican when she was 18. Webb was a Republican while serving in government.
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2014, 03:44:20 PM »


Lol, you're not even a Democrat - you were gloating about how "250 is such a beautiful number" for Republicans in the House. What does it say about Webb that he is being 'endorsed' by people such as yourself?

No, I am not. But Webb is a much better general election candidate than Clinton. He could draw bipartisan support.

That's what they said about Obama. Obama got 18,000 people to caucus for him in blood-red Idaho, remember? I didn't know there were that many people in Idaho. A year later, he couldn't even address Congress without getting heckled. This kind of thing is just baloney thrown out by people who are afraid of Hillary.

I was very much pro Obama in 2008.


I'm not surprised. My point is that there are a lot of people who will support anyone just because they're running against Hillary, regardless of their actual politics.

Back in 2008, I really liked Obama and what he campaigned on. I also like Webb, a tad less though. Obama's promises then (not his policies) and Web's promises now (and hopefully his policies) are something I'd support.

Obama campaigned on change without a plan to actually bring change. Hillary campaigned on change as an outcome of hard work and working the system. Eventually, Obama came around to Hillary's view (ironically, Obama worked harder when it came to his own campaign, which is why he won).
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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2014, 07:41:28 PM »

He's more of an anti-Obama than anti-Hillary, which Brian Schweitzer fits better.
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2014, 07:50:58 PM »

He's more of an anti-Obama than anti-Hillary, which Brian Schweitzer fits better.

How's that? The guy is running on a platform saying that there isn't enough bipartisanship in Washington for crying out loud.
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2014, 07:52:46 PM »

He's more of an anti-Obama than anti-Hillary, which Brian Schweitzer fits better.

How's that? The guy is running on a platform saying that there isn't enough bipartisanship in Washington for crying out loud.

I mean in terms of background (Scots-Irish from Appalachia, military background) and the issues. It isn't as if Hillary will be denouncing the false equivalency of the lack of bipartisanship.
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