Discuss with maps: Bush/Portman vs Webb/Warren

[JRP1994]

Could produce some interesting maps, and nothing passes the time 2 years out like improbable hypotheticals.

[Maxwell]

This goes in the What-If subforum.

[IceSpear]

Bush/Portman - 282
Webb/Warren - 256

[Ljube]

Something like this?

[Senate Minority Leader Lord Voldemort]

Something like this?

Even with Portman, Ohio would go Dem before either Kentucky or West Virginia got even close to being a tossup.

[Anonymouse]

All else equal (of course it never is, but this is a hypothetical), Webb wins 298-240.

[Ljube]

Something like this?

Even with Portman, Ohio would go Dem before either Kentucky or West Virginia got even close to being a tossup.

I don't know. Webb is a good cultural fit for both WV and KY.

But he wouldn't need either of those two states. He could win with just NC.

[Ljube]

All else equal (of course it never is, but this is a hypothetical), Webb wins 298-240.

On second thought, this is a likelier map than mine.

[GLPman]

Didn't bother with percentages when I made this map. Webb is a weak candidate and although Warren would excite the Dem base, she would turn off independent voters. Bush/Portman wins.

[The_Doctor]

How do you see Wisconsin going Republican with that map? G.W. couldn't carry Wisconsin either time.

[Anonymouse]

How do you see Wisconsin going Republican with that map? G.W. couldn't carry Wisconsin either time.

Who are you talking to, man? Lurk more and learn how to quote.

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[badgate]

Didn't bother with percentages when I made this map. Webb is a weak candidate and although Warren would excite the Dem base, she would turn off independent voters. Bush/Portman wins.

This is one of the greatest fallacies of Atlas.

[The_Doctor]

How do you see Wisconsin going Republican with that map? G.W. couldn't carry Wisconsin either time.

Who are you talking to, man? Lurk more and learn how to quote.

Sorry. This was to IceSpear. Should have quoted, to be clearer.

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Didn't bother with percentages when I made this map. Webb is a weak candidate and although Warren would excite the Dem base, she would turn off independent voters. Bush/Portman wins.

This is one of the greatest fallacies of Atlas.

It's the myth that only moderate Democrats can win. Yes, only very moderate Democrats can get elected to the US Senate in swing states like Ohio or Wisconsin. They absolutely can't elect someone even more liberal than Elizabeth Warren.

[The_Doctor]

Never mind, I thought this was Clinton/Webb versus Bush/Portman.

Apologies.

[The_Doctor]

Bush/Portman: 328 - 52%
Webb/Warren: 210 - 46%

In a nutshell, Webb only emerges as the nominee after a divisive Democratic nomination struggle, in the shadow of an unpopular president. The Republicans will have their Convention in June and begin battering Webb.

Webb is also out of touch with the demographic trends in the Democratic Party. So he wouldn't tap into that as well as another nominee would. As I said, the unpopular president would also limit his appeal in the battleground states. (This applies to Clinton to a lesser degree, but Hillary Clinton is more equipped to resist these issues than Webb).

[Adam Griffin]

Webb/Warren - 270
Bush/Portman - 268

[Mr. Illini]

Something like this...

Gotta say, when I was making this one I didn't expect Webb to win without Florida and Ohio. I guess it goes to show the advantage that the Dems are starting at in this cycle.