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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2014, 05:50:35 PM »

Adultery is legal.  Rape is a horrible criminal act.  There's no way to say they're in any way morally equivalent.  

There have been a string of accusations about sexual assault or abuse from Clinton dating back to his student days (one "incident" in Oxford, one in Yale) and onwards. So there are clear similarities between the Cosby and Clinton sexual abuse narratives.

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2013/09/27/bill-clinton-a-long-history-of-alleged-rape-and-sexual-assault/

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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2014, 05:54:35 PM »

Adultery is legal.  Rape is a horrible criminal act.  There's no way to say they're in any way morally equivalent.  

There have been a string of accusations about sexual assault or abuse from Clinton dating back to his student days (one "incident" in Oxford, one in Yale) and onwards. So there are clear similarities between the Cosby and Clinton sexual abuse narratives.

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2013/09/27/bill-clinton-a-long-history-of-alleged-rape-and-sexual-assault/

This is the front page of "mofopolitics.com" right now:



I hate to agree with Beet, but mofopolitics is basically a terrible resource and you should feel bad for using it.
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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2014, 06:03:36 PM »

Adultery is legal.  Rape is a horrible criminal act.  There's no way to say they're in any way morally equivalent.  

There have been a string of accusations about sexual assault or abuse from Clinton dating back to his student days (one "incident" in Oxford, one in Yale) and onwards. So there are clear similarities between the Cosby and Clinton sexual abuse narratives.

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2013/09/27/bill-clinton-a-long-history-of-alleged-rape-and-sexual-assault/

This is the front page of "mofopolitics.com" right now:



I hate to agree with Beet, but mofopolitics is basically a terrible resource and you should feel bad for using it.

The source is pretty irrelevant in this context, my point is there exists a similar narrative about Clinton (as serial abuser). It has been published before in other contexts.
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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2014, 06:33:59 PM »

So were comparing someone who's accused of drugging and raping several women to a married man having a consensual affair with another women? Unless Clinton drugged and raped women then there's nothing to it.
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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2014, 07:02:15 PM »

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That's true, I just thought the graphic was too ironic not to post. The site is obviously run by an active misogynist. The number of ironies in this are piled pretty high.
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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2014, 07:36:44 PM »

So were comparing someone who's accused of drugging and raping several women to a married man having a consensual affair with another women? Unless Clinton drugged and raped women then there's nothing to it.

As we've pointed out Juanita Broaddrick case meets the technical definition of Rape.

As for drugs, Bill didn't need any, he was rather good-looking, and the women he slept with (including Hillary) fell for that (and some of them, like Monica, might of known about Bill's history anyways) rather than any sort of drugs.
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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2014, 08:08:11 PM »

So were comparing someone who's accused of drugging and raping several women to a married man having a consensual affair with another women? Unless Clinton drugged and raped women then there's nothing to it.

As we've pointed out Juanita Broaddrick case meets the technical definition of Rape.

As for drugs, Bill didn't need any, he was rather good-looking, and the women he slept with (including Hillary) fell for that (and some of them, like Monica, might of known about Bill's history anyways) rather than any sort of drugs.

And if you think Monica was attracted to Bill Clinton for his looks, imagine how much more she was after he told her he was also President of the United States.
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« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2014, 08:38:12 PM »

So were comparing someone who's accused of drugging and raping several women to a married man having a consensual affair with another women? Unless Clinton drugged and raped women then there's nothing to it.

As we've pointed out Juanita Broaddrick case meets the technical definition of Rape.

As for drugs, Bill didn't need any, he was rather good-looking, and the women he slept with (including Hillary) fell for that (and some of them, like Monica, might of known about Bill's history anyways) rather than any sort of drugs.

And if you think Monica was attracted to Bill Clinton for his looks, imagine how much more she was after he told her he was also President of the United States.

Precisely.
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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2014, 08:00:49 AM »

So were comparing someone who's accused of drugging and raping several women to a married man having a consensual affair with another women? Unless Clinton drugged and raped women then there's nothing to it.

As we've pointed out Juanita Broaddrick case meets the technical definition of Rape.

As for drugs, Bill didn't need any, he was rather good-looking, and the women he slept with (including Hillary) fell for that (and some of them, like Monica, might of known about Bill's history anyways) rather than any sort of drugs.

You seem convinced that Bill Clinton, beyond the shadow of a doubt, raped Juanita Broaddrick--who couldn't seem to even remember what year the alleged assault took place, and attended a Clinton fundraiser years later.

I'm not saying the possibility that it happened is zero, but come on.
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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2014, 09:12:42 AM »

And if you think Monica was attracted to Bill Clinton for his looks, imagine how much more she was after he told her he was also President of the United States.

Are we seriously imagining a world where a White House intern had to be told who the President of the United States was? Jesus Christ.
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« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2014, 09:46:16 AM »

And if you think Monica was attracted to Bill Clinton for his looks, imagine how much more she was after he told her he was also President of the United States.

Are we seriously imagining a world where a White House intern had to be told who the President of the United States was? Jesus Christ.

I think you missed the sarcasm font.
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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2014, 06:02:16 PM »

And if you think Monica was attracted to Bill Clinton for his looks, imagine how much more she was after he told her he was also President of the United States.

Are we seriously imagining a world where a White House intern had to be told who the President of the United States was? Jesus Christ.

I think you missed the sarcasm font.

There's a sarcasm font?
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« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2014, 10:41:07 PM »

1.  Hillary Clinton isn't culpable for her husband cheating on her. 

2.  Adultery is legal.  Rape is a horrible criminal act.  There's no way to say they're in any way morally equivalent. 

That said, people are going to make these dumb arguments because we're going to hear every anti-Hillary argument from Vince Foster to Whitewater to Benghazi.  And as a Hillary supporter, all I have to say is that if Republicans had good anti-Hillary arguments they wouldn't need to attack her for being cheated on. 
I think part of Hillary's popularity is her association with the most popular living US President. So if something hurts him, it hurts her. And it can lead to uncomfortable questions for her.

The main problem isn't adultery. Concerns about power dynamics are more mainstream. There are different sexual harrassment policies. One question would be if Bill Clinton has ever done anything that could be construed as sexual assault by the most liberal definition of the term? Could it have happened more than once to more than one woman?

Laura Bush killed somebody. There were plenty of concerns about George W. Bush going into the 2000 election. Was that one of them?
There are several differences. Laura Bush was a teenager when she killed someone in an accident. She hadn't even met George Bush then.

It also helps Hillary that Bill Clinton is so popular, the most admired President of the last 25 years.
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« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2014, 04:40:36 PM »

Juanita Broaddrick's main issue was that she had sworn an affidavit that Clinton had not assaulted her before she gave her interviews. I am not passing judgment on what really happened, but I don't know how you explain that.

Easy. Bill/Hillary paid her off.

Well, I mean, I don't know how Juanita explains it. She hasn't said "I swore this affadavit because the Clintons paid me," has she?
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« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2014, 01:46:08 PM »

So were comparing someone who's accused of drugging and raping several women to a married man having a consensual affair with another women? Unless Clinton drugged and raped women then there's nothing to it.

As we've pointed out Juanita Broaddrick case meets the technical definition of Rape.

As for drugs, Bill didn't need any, he was rather good-looking, and the women he slept with (including Hillary) fell for that (and some of them, like Monica, might of known about Bill's history anyways) rather than any sort of drugs.

You seem convinced that Bill Clinton, beyond the shadow of a doubt, raped Juanita Broaddrick--who couldn't seem to even remember what year the alleged assault took place, and attended a Clinton fundraiser years later.

I'm not saying the possibility that it happened is zero, but come on.

It's a technical definition. It probably wouldn't have held up in an Arkansas courtroom.
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« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2014, 01:47:56 PM »

And if you think Monica was attracted to Bill Clinton for his looks, imagine how much more she was after he told her he was also President of the United States.

Are we seriously imagining a world where a White House intern had to be told who the President of the United States was? Jesus Christ.

The average American in the 1990's was an idiot, so yes I can imagine that scenario.
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