Americans favor immigration executive action, 67-28

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I support the executive order for kids(the DOCA) but not the most recent executive order.

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I support the executive order for kids(the DOCA) but not the most recent executive order.

Then why deport their parents?

I didn't say deport them but to give their parents temp amnesty and compete for jobs against people who were born here or even immigrated here the right way that's unfair. Its not like their parents were gonna get deported anyway. Their parents have probably have been for years anyway. Can't their parents just get papers to be be in the country legally anyway without the executive order?

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Naso's hoping for something like this, with the names inverted:

Well, we all know that, especially before and after his posts on Ferguson, but I just took amusement with the way he is choosing his words.  I mean, I'm worried that plenty of whites are racist.  I'm not worried about racists voting for Republicans.

Anyway Reaganfan, I'll have to admit that I don't really care what the Democrats did to alienate 60% of white voters because I'm in the other 40%, and the idea that you or any other person of a similar political disposition could worry on my behalf that I am losing representation is ridiculous at best.  You see, I'm not convinced that whites are somehow getting a bad deal.  So if you're going to stand around and worry about whites (potentially) losing their virtual stranglehold on America's political institutions and their influence on society generally, my only question is, why?

Aren't political institutions already liberal anyway such as colleges?

Influence on Society? Can you go further into detail about that?

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Obama already only won 39% of white people. If Democrats keep this up, they will become known solely as the party of minorities. Doesn't that worry you even a bit?

That sounds better than getting 8% of blacks, but either way, I don't think Democrats are worried about a perceived connection to minorities.  LMAO.

I didn't say that. You are missing my point.

IF you take away all minority voters, you realize that the Democrats who are damn near out of business in many parts of the country would be even WORSE off than they are today. If only whites voted, Mitt Romney would have won 46 states. If only whites voted, no more Mark Warner. We'd have Senator Scott Brown. You realize that all of the eggs are in one basket.

Doesn't that bug you at all, that there is a chance of a massive white backlash beyond 1994, 2010 and 2014? What if the Democratic nominee ended up with only 20% of the white vote in 2016? That was my question, you aren't bothered by that?

According to CNN Exit Polls, Democrats got 38 percent of the white vote in 2014. I believe they received 44 percent in ‘96, 41 percent in ‘00, 40 percent in ‘04, 43 percent in ‘08, and 39 percent in ‘12.

I don’t know the other midterm numbers off the top of my head. Regardless, the white vote has been pretty stable for democrats in presidential years since the turn of the century. Unless there’s another recession, it’s reasonable to suspect that they’ll maintain 38 percent of it in 2016, especially with Hillary Clinton. If they’re able to drive up support among minorities ala 2012, they will win the presidency again.

In other words, democrats aren’t worried about the white vote. They think they’ve reached their floor.

They’re worried about moderate Hispanics jumping to the republicans in 2016. For that to happen, republicans need to move on from immigrate reform (accept defeat) and talk about the size of government, high taxes, and national security. Republicans can win by using these issues to drive a wedge between democrats and some Hispanic voters.

Obama is hoping this order prevents that from happening. He knows Hispanics are passionate about immigration. This is something that will resonate with them, and stick with them. He’s relying on republicans alienating them by kissing up to their base, and coming out as anti-immigrant. It’s a long con. Immigration reform is a losing argument for republicans in 2016. Look at Chris Christie. He isn’t touching this issue right now. He knows he can’t win. He says he’s for immigration reform, and he loses in Iowa in the primaries. He says he opposes immigration reform, and he loses Nevada and Colorado in the general. Every minute Christie, Jeb Bush, and Scott Walker fumble over immigration is a minute less they spend talking on the issues that helps them.

That's why democrats aren't worried.

White and non-white votes are individually equal in importance.

In recent years, the non-white, non-Anglo, non-Christian, and non-straight part of the middle class vote has gone heavily Democratic. Even if the Republicans used to expect gains among all groups of voters as they left poverty due to concern about taxes, the Republicans have lost trust among such voters.

Someone middle class and  non-white, non-Anglo, non-Christian, or non-straight has good cause to distrust the Republican Party. One may attribute one's success and the potential for the success of one's children to formal education, and Republicans offend such an attribution with pervasive anti-intellectualism. Republicans used to treat education as a good proxy for Republican voting as educated people were less likely to fall for demagogues within the Democratic Party. Education was then, as now, a good proxy for income  In the 1950s, educated people voted heavily Republican. In 2008 and 2012,  the higher one's formal education the more likely one was to vote for the Democratic nominee for President. Income mattered as little as ever, with a slight edge in favor of Obama with higher income. (Ethnicity and living in a densely-populated environment mattered more).   

The Republicans have been relying heavily upon blatant rejections of objective science to appeal to white ignoramuses. They have been pushing young-earth creationism and denial of global warming. Although it is not science they have been accusing the President of being things that he isn't (like un-American and Muslim) contrary to fact; they keep playing up the death of an American diplomat in Benghazi as evidence of the incompetence of the President when in fact the President could not act fast enough in a fast-moving situation.

When intellectual integrity matters again, the GOP is in deep trouble. 

The Left doesn't even use the "Global Warming" talking point anymore they use the "climate change" talking point currently.

I haven't heard the "Muslim" talking point in a couple years.

As for Benghazi the GOP will look into it one more time so your half or mostly right about that. I don't know if the GOP as a whole thinks Obama is incompetent by his actions on Benghazi.