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Question: Who would you have sided with?
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« on: November 25, 2014, 04:38:34 PM »
Just wondering. Trotsky for me(sane).
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2014, 04:50:22 PM »
WI: Whites
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2014, 04:55:17 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2014, 05:07:01 PM »

I've had to put up with too much racism while moderating this thread: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=203190.0.  Took me a moment to realize you two weren't referring to race. Sad
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2014, 06:10:20 PM »
Well given that I'm a Trotskyist...I'd have to say Leon Trotsky.
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2014, 06:22:42 PM »
If Trotsky had won, his insistence on spreading the revolution would probably have led to the Societ War being pushed into more wars they were unable to cope with. That plus his aggressive stance against the peasantry, could have lead to far more instability within the USSR and less chance of WWII being won.

I think Trotsky was a more interesting mind than Stalin, but he couldn't have held the USSR together.
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2014, 06:26:22 PM »
Trotsky was never going to succeed Lenin as the leader in any case. He was kind of a primadonna that no one in the party leadership really liked. If it wasn't Stalin, it would probably have been Bukharin, in all honesty. He was the 'Golden Boy' of the party, after all.
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2014, 07:31:45 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2014, 08:18:10 PM »

Reactionary.
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2014, 08:52:57 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2014, 09:54:07 PM »

Why is saying "reactionary" meant to carry the weight of an insult? It's no more objectively good or bad than "conservative", "radical", or "liberal".
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2014, 09:57:32 PM »
Probably Trotsky, because Stalin was just plain out of his focking mind.
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2014, 10:14:38 PM »
You probably mean the provisional government, otherwise you support attacks on Jews and other non-Russian minorities.
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2014, 10:54:09 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2014, 11:00:18 PM »
WI: provisional government
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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2014, 01:33:09 AM »
Quote from: whyshouldigiveyoumyname? on November 25, 2014, 10:14:38 PM
You probably mean the provisional government, otherwise you support attacks on Jews and other non-Russian minorities.

anti-Semitism wasn't such a cardinal sin pre-Holocaust.  extremism in the defense of liberty?  sure, smash a few Yid storefronts.  the Red Army even did a bit of that, though not as a matter of command or official policy.  it was a way of partying back then, just as the Red Army partied by raping all those German women in 1945.  war does terrible things to the soul.
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2014, 10:36:45 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2014, 02:23:27 PM »
Trotsky, of course. The true heir to the revolution.
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2014, 05:37:51 PM »
Quote from: #Ready4Nixon on November 25, 2014, 09:54:07 PM

Why is saying "reactionary" meant to carry the weight of an insult? It's no more objectively good or bad than "conservative", "radical", or "liberal".

Hell, I openly identify as one Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2014, 05:45:23 PM »
Quote from: DC Al Fine on November 26, 2014, 05:37:51 PM
Quote from: #Ready4Nixon on November 25, 2014, 09:54:07 PM

Why is saying "reactionary" meant to carry the weight of an insult? It's no more objectively good or bad than "conservative", "radical", or "liberal".

Hell, I openly identify as one Tongue

I saw you in the comments section of "Catholic Casey" DeAnn's blog once upon a time.
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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2014, 09:15:24 PM »
Quote from: #Ready4Nixon on November 25, 2014, 09:54:07 PM

Why is saying "reactionary" meant to carry the weight of an insult? It's no more objectively good or bad than "conservative", "radical", or "liberal".

A conservative wants to keep things as they are while reactionaries want to return to a past that rarely is as good as they imagine it to have been and even more rarely is the actual past.
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2014, 09:39:06 PM »
Quote from: Senator TNF on November 25, 2014, 06:26:22 PM
Trotsky was never going to succeed Lenin as the leader in any case. He was kind of a primadonna that no one in the party leadership really liked. If it wasn't Stalin, it would probably have been Bukharin, in all honesty. He was the 'Golden Boy' of the party, after all.

Yeah basically. Trotsky would probably be Commissar of Defense or something, not the actual Head of State.
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2014, 10:26:11 PM »
WI: Green Army.
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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2014, 11:35:28 PM »
Quote from: True Federalist on November 26, 2014, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: #Ready4Nixon on November 25, 2014, 09:54:07 PM

Why is saying "reactionary" meant to carry the weight of an insult? It's no more objectively good or bad than "conservative", "radical", or "liberal".

A conservative wants to keep things as they are while reactionaries want to return to a past that rarely is as good as they imagine it to have been and even more rarely is the actual past.

So in other words, the Republican Party is not in any way a conservative party.
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« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2014, 12:19:18 AM »
Quote from: IceSpear on November 26, 2014, 11:35:28 PM
Quote from: True Federalist on November 26, 2014, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: #Ready4Nixon on November 25, 2014, 09:54:07 PM

Why is saying "reactionary" meant to carry the weight of an insult? It's no more objectively good or bad than "conservative", "radical", or "liberal".

A conservative wants to keep things as they are while reactionaries want to return to a past that rarely is as good as they imagine it to have been and even more rarely is the actual past.

So in other words, the Republican Party is not in any way a conservative party.

Reagan and Thatcher rather corrupted the term "conservative".
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