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Question: Are Mormons Protestants, in your view?
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(practicing) Christian: Yes
 
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(practicing) Christian: No
 
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non-Christian: Yes
 
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non-Christian: No
 
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« on: November 25, 2014, 07:23:55 PM »
« edited: November 25, 2014, 07:26:35 PM by Frodo »

Let's hash it out.  And yes, I am assuming Mormons are Christians for the purpose of this poll...  
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2014, 07:52:35 PM »

I consider them distinct from Protestantism, but, if you must lump them somewhere, then Protestantism is more fitting than "Cathodoxlicanism." They're "Protestant" in the "if you're not Cathodox, you're Protestant" line of thinking, but that's about it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2014, 07:59:16 PM »

No,...just no....

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2014, 08:06:19 PM »

I consider them distinct from Protestantism, but, if you must lump them somewhere, then Protestantism is more fitting than "Cathodoxlicanism." They're "Protestant" in the "if you're not Cathodox, you're Protestant" line of thinking, but that's about it.

What's 'Cathodoxlicanism'?  Or did you just invent this word?
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2014, 08:08:47 PM »

No. My definition of Protestantism includes that it is a non-Catholic Trinitarianism, and Mormon theology is not Trinitarian.  So while Mormons are Christian, they are not Protestant. Additionally, because of their belief in continuing revelation thru modern-day leaders, they lack the essential Protestant tenet of sola scriptura, even if one accepts the Book of Mormon as scripture.
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2014, 08:39:28 PM »

No, they don't hold common Protestant theologies, nor do they share a common Protestant history. If they're Christians, they're their own branch.
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2014, 10:43:36 PM »

A Christian is one who follows the teachings of Jesus and believes him the Savior, with that in our name, it's a silly argument not to call us Christians.
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2014, 10:52:41 PM »

A Christian is one who follows the teachings of Jesus and believes him the Savior, with that in our name, it's a silly argument not to call us Christians.
Agreed, but the question being asked here isn't whether you are Christian, but are you Protestant, and for the reasons I gave earlier, I wouldn't call Mormons Protestants.
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2014, 10:57:25 PM »

No, they don't hold common Protestant theologies, nor do they share a common Protestant history. If they're Christians, they're their own branch.

Mormon sotireology is not consistent with the orthodox Protestant (Calvinist or Arminian) views on grace. Plus they deny the Trinity. They are more towards a works based view of salvation rather than a grace based view. So no.
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2014, 01:12:48 AM »

I consider them distinct from Protestantism, but, if you must lump them somewhere, then Protestantism is more fitting than "Cathodoxlicanism." They're "Protestant" in the "if you're not Cathodox, you're Protestant" line of thinking, but that's about it.

What's 'Cathodoxlicanism'?  Or did you just invent this word?

No, I didn't make it up. It's a portmanteau of Catholic, Orthodox, and Anglicanism. They're the big three pre-Protestant Christian churches that are all fairly similar to each other, more so than they are to the vast majority of Protestant churches.
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2014, 01:37:59 AM »

No, they don't hold common Protestant theologies, nor do they share a common Protestant history. If they're Christians, they're their own branch.

well, the LDS movement unquestionably grew out of the equally-unquestionably protestant Second Great Awakening.  to that extent it is very much a child of a uniquely American protestantism.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2014, 02:02:38 AM »

No, they don't hold common Protestant theologies, nor do they share a common Protestant history. If they're Christians, they're their own branch.

well, the LDS movement unquestionably grew out of the equally-unquestionably protestant Second Great Awakening.  to that extent it is very much a child of a uniquely American protestantism.

Yeah, but if by that logic Mormons are Protestants, Protestants are Catholics.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2014, 02:14:18 AM »

No, they don't hold common Protestant theologies, nor do they share a common Protestant history. If they're Christians, they're their own branch.

well, the LDS movement unquestionably grew out of the equally-unquestionably protestant Second Great Awakening.  to that extent it is very much a child of a uniquely American protestantism.

Yeah, but if by that logic Mormons are Protestants, Protestants are Catholics.

right, I was just pointing out an error in DC's claim..  he may have been better served to say "Reformation History", as I've never seen the LDS look to Calvin or Luther et al as authorities or even great men of the church.  the Great Apostasy doctrine more or less any authorities from the death of the last Nephite in the 500s through Joseph Smith's revelation from Moroni in 1830.
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2014, 10:32:29 AM »

No - strongly agnostic. I kind of agree with DC Al Fine here.

To me, Protestant describes the de-emphasis on Papal authority and traditions and emphasizes the Bible and New Testament only approach whose roots go back to the Lollards. What we call Protestantism surfaced in the 16th century. I don't consider the LDS Church to come out of that. I consider it its own thing, like a handful of others that are loosely Christian at best.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2014, 11:38:03 AM »

Mormon sotireology is not consistent with the orthodox Protestant (Calvinist or Arminian) views on grace. Plus they deny the Trinity. They are more towards a works based view of salvation rather than a grace based view. So no.

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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2014, 08:32:15 PM »

I consider them distinct from Protestantism, but, if you must lump them somewhere, then Protestantism is more fitting than "Cathodoxlicanism." They're "Protestant" in the "if you're not Cathodox, you're Protestant" line of thinking, but that's about it.

What's 'Cathodoxlicanism'?  Or did you just invent this word?

No, I didn't make it up. It's a portmanteau of Catholic, Orthodox, and Anglicanism. They're the big three pre-Protestant Christian churches that are all fairly similar to each other, more so than they are to the vast majority of Protestant churches.

Thanks!  Smiley

I meant no disrespect, just that the word appears in no dictionary (certainly not Merriam Webster).  Hence my inquiry as to whether you just made that word up.  
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2014, 12:36:11 AM »

No. I would say Protestants are vastly closer to Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox then the Mormons in theology. In fact the distance between the Protestants and the Mormons is comparable to the gulf between the former and Islam.
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2014, 11:11:08 AM »

I agree that Mormonism belongs to a branch of Christianity distinct from Protestantism, Catholicism, and Orthodoxy, but I don't consider it popular or historically significant enough to warrant being a branch unto itself. Instead, I'd lump it, along with sects such as Christian Science and Jehovah's Witnesses, under the umbrella branch "Primitivism" or "Restorationism".
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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2014, 01:01:32 PM »

"Restorationism" doesn't work, that refers to a distinct grouping of Protestant churches itself.
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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2014, 01:36:27 PM »
« Edited: November 27, 2014, 01:40:08 PM by Frodo »

"Restorationism" doesn't work, that refers to a distinct grouping of Protestant churches itself.

No, it doesn't.

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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2014, 02:42:21 PM »

The Anabaptists at Munster emphasized a lot of things.
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« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2014, 02:53:32 PM »

"Restorationism" doesn't work, that refers to a distinct grouping of Protestant churches itself.

And "Christian primitivism" refers to the nondenominational attempt to return to the beliefs and practices of the early church. However, no other terms really recommend themselves. Perhaps "Christian Science Fiction"?
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2014, 01:43:40 PM »

No, Mormons are their own branch of Christianity.
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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2014, 03:35:01 PM »

I was responding to the implication that we might not be Christians, why would the OP put "let's assume" if there were no doubts?
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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2014, 04:23:21 PM »

They're Restorationists along with the Seventh Day Adventists.

Although I think it's acceptable to lump Resorationists together with Protestants for the sake of simplicity.
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