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« on: November 26, 2014, 12:06:32 PM »

Confederate general=HP. 
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2014, 12:08:33 PM »

Traitor.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2014, 12:14:18 PM »

Obviously, anyone who supports a treasonous regime is an HP in total, but he was far from the worst Confederate.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2014, 12:27:06 PM »

Traitor. Should have been executed after the war for treason, along with the rest of the Confederate leadership.
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2014, 01:06:42 PM »

Traitor. Should have been executed after the war for treason, along with the rest of the Confederate leadership.
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2014, 01:10:10 PM »

FF.
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2014, 01:38:04 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2014, 02:01:31 PM »

A Confederate general is always going to be a HP to me, but I don't think he was a true HP as a person.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2014, 03:22:29 PM »

A Confederate general is always going to be a HP to me, but I don't think he was a true HP as a person.

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2014, 03:30:12 PM »

Took the wrong side.
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2014, 03:30:17 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2014, 04:43:21 PM »

Leave your home or your a traitor!

Sound logic
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2014, 04:54:28 PM »

Leave your home or your a traitor!

Sound logic

He was a traitor for backing the attempt by the Slave Power to destroy the union.
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2014, 04:57:37 PM »

Leave your home or your a traitor!

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He was a traitor for backing the attempt by the Slave Power to destroy the union.
The moment Virginia seceded, it became his home country. It makes no sense to call him a traitor.

And, for what it's worth, his stance on slavery is highly objectionable.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2014, 05:01:06 PM »

Its rather ripe that TNF, the man who mocks 'muh lines on a map' and denigrates the concept of patriotism and loyalty to the state is attacking Robert E. Lee for being a traitor.
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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2014, 05:05:40 PM »

I'm baffled by his supposed sense of "honor."  Though he supposedly acknowledged that slavery was an "evil" (though one that presumably should be maintained until the slaves were Christianized), and did not approve of secession, he fought to protect both of them.  Often a brilliant battlefield tactician, until Gettysburg anyway.  But anyone who agrees to lead an army that kills people in the name of a cause they don't even believe in can't be anything but an HP.
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2014, 05:09:18 PM »

I'm baffled by his supposed sense of "honor."  Though he supposedly acknowledged that slavery was an "evil" (though one that presumably should be maintained until the slaves were Christianized), and did not approve of secession, he fought to protect both of them.  Often a brilliant battlefield tactician, until Gettysburg anyway.  But anyone who agrees to lead an army that kills people in the name of a cause they don't even believe in can't be anything but an HP.
This reeks of winners write history.
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2014, 05:12:50 PM »

I'm baffled by his supposed sense of "honor."  Though he supposedly acknowledged that slavery was an "evil" (though one that presumably should be maintained until the slaves were Christianized), and did not approve of secession, he fought to protect both of them.  Often a brilliant battlefield tactician, until Gettysburg anyway.  But anyone who agrees to lead an army that kills people in the name of a cause they don't even believe in can't be anything but an HP.
This reeks of winners write history.

I don't think anyone should fight for a cause they don't believe in.  That includes Union generals.
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2014, 05:19:34 PM »

I'm baffled by his supposed sense of "honor."  Though he supposedly acknowledged that slavery was an "evil" (though one that presumably should be maintained until the slaves were Christianized), and did not approve of secession, he fought to protect both of them.  Often a brilliant battlefield tactician, until Gettysburg anyway.  But anyone who agrees to lead an army that kills people in the name of a cause they don't even believe in can't be anything but an HP.
This reeks of winners write history.

I don't think anyone should fight for a cause they don't believe in.  That includes Union generals.
Lee was going to fight for his home regardless of sides.

I don't disagree with someone calling him a HP as the point is objectionable. But, calling him a traitor is asinine.
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2014, 05:27:40 PM »

Massive HP
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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2014, 05:57:42 PM »

I'm baffled by his supposed sense of "honor."  Though he supposedly acknowledged that slavery was an "evil" (though one that presumably should be maintained until the slaves were Christianized), and did not approve of secession, he fought to protect both of them.  Often a brilliant battlefield tactician, until Gettysburg anyway.  But anyone who agrees to lead an army that kills people in the name of a cause they don't even believe in can't be anything but an HP.

He did not see himself as fighting for any cause except in defense of his home, Virginia.
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2014, 07:37:33 PM »

I didn't call Lee a traitor, TNF did.  And while Lee surely did see himself as fighting to defend his "country" (Virginia), he couldn't have been unaware of the implications that he was thereby defending Virginia's succession and that he was defending their right to maintain slavery.  Lee was far too brilliant not to have been cognizant of this.  That having been said, there were loads of union generals and soldiers that were massive HPs as well, there is no doubt about that.
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2014, 08:39:56 PM »

"I like the union.... but Virginia..."

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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2014, 08:54:48 PM »

The best of a rotten bunch.
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« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2014, 10:28:16 PM »

I didn't call Lee a traitor, TNF did.  And while Lee surely did see himself as fighting to defend his "country" (Virginia), he couldn't have been unaware of the implications that he was thereby defending Virginia's succession and that he was defending their right to maintain slavery.  Lee was far too brilliant not to have been cognizant of this.  That having been said, there were loads of union generals and soldiers that were massive HPs as well, there is no doubt about that.

I can't blame anyone for taking up the fight to defend their homeland even if they disagree with the politics of what led to the fight.  When you are looking at the threat of an army coming in and overrunning your town or city and region, abstractions go out the window.
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