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« on: November 26, 2014, 09:38:42 PM »
« edited: November 26, 2014, 10:37:28 PM by ChairmanSanchez »

Politico.

Major bombshell in my opinion. My theory is that he is pushing Obama away from himself (and Hillary) so that he can advance in the leadership under a potential President Clinton.
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2014, 10:13:37 PM »

Politico.

Major bombshell in my opinion. My theory is that he is pushing Obama away from himself (and Hillary) so that he can advance in the leadership under a potential President Clinton.

He's got a point about the timing, but more elaboration from Mr. Schumer would be nice here.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2014, 10:14:47 PM »

I don't think he's saying that healthcare reform is bad, but that Democrats should have put more effort on the economy. Dorgan said the same thing before he retired. Too bad we ignored Dorgan's warnings about Glass Steagall, or we wouldn't have been in that economic mess in the first place.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2014, 10:30:32 PM »

Healthcare is the economy and healthcare reform will create good paying jobs. Schumer is wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2014, 10:37:03 PM »

I don't think he's saying that healthcare reform is bad, but that Democrats should have put more effort on the economy. Dorgan said the same thing before he retired. Too bad we ignored Dorgan's warnings about Glass Steagall, or we wouldn't have been in that economic mess in the first place.
My title was misleading in hindsight. This what he meant.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2014, 12:15:53 AM »

I don't think he's saying that healthcare reform is bad, but that Democrats should have put more effort on the economy. Dorgan said the same thing before he retired. Too bad we ignored Dorgan's warnings about Glass Steagall, or we wouldn't have been in that economic mess in the first place.
My title was misleading in hindsight. This what he meant.

The title is apt. Schumer would have known how his statement would be construed in the media and the Twatosphere.
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2014, 12:31:44 AM »

We were focusing on ObamaCare? That's news to me.
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2014, 01:59:38 AM »

Schumer is an idiot.  It's Democrats like him that make people stay home on election day.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2014, 02:05:43 AM »

Schumer is an idiot.  It's Democrats like him that make people stay home on election day.
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2014, 02:12:51 AM »

Schumer is an idiot.  It's Democrats like him that make people stay home on election day.
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2014, 02:29:27 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2014, 02:35:55 AM »

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Would've, could've, should've. I'm so tired of Democrats within 100 miles of Wall Street providing their "insight", which has invariably led to nothing but unmitigated disasters for the Democratic Party and public policy.
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2014, 02:39:40 AM »


Yeah, the guy was totally inept as DSCC chairman from 2005-2009.

oh wait
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2014, 03:17:30 AM »

Schumer trying to get off the naughty list for Christmas. That's something to be thankful for.

He's right, but I wonder why it took 6 years of electoral beat down for him to say something publicly. Everything hinged on lower class and lower-middle class rejuvenation after 2008. Unfortunately, it was clear that Democrats could not achieve consensus within their own ranks as to how healthcare would be used to further a populist economic agenda. Rather than abandon a loser and search for another way to make the middle class strong, they fought amongst themselves, and wasted a year on a bad bill that wasn't going to work.

For the life of me, I'll never understand why the Democratic Party is stuck on stupid. They get shellacked by Reagan, but they don't change. They inherit power again after the Great Recession, only to commence with their ineffective social rabble rousing.

Democrats who think their party is actually going to create competent productive policy are about as smart as Republicans who think their party is going to cut spending.
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2014, 03:52:58 AM »

I wonder which wins more votes for Chuck Schumer, promising people affordable health care or actually providing it to them?
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2014, 04:14:13 AM »


In all fairness when you're the opposition party and the President is f***ing up as horribly as Bush did it's pretty easy for the base to turn out. Anyone can do it.

The times when we're in power are a real challenge though. Schumer's leadership wouldn't have done much to change the Senate results in 2010 or 2014.
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2014, 06:12:51 AM »


In all fairness when you're the opposition party and the President is f***ing up as horribly as Bush did it's pretty easy for the base to turn out. Anyone can do it.

The times when we're in power are a real challenge though. Schumer's leadership wouldn't have done much to change the Senate results in 2010 or 2014.

Howard Dean's umbrella of the DNC chairmanship, DFA and the 50 State Strategy certainly helped as well.
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2014, 06:57:48 AM »

Regarding the midterms, I think Clinton is closer to the mark in his assessment.  Schumer on the other hand I've always found to be two-faced on lots of issues.  Foremost among those issues has been home loans, an incredibly important factor in the recession and recovery from it.  For years and years he was one of the guys who pushed banks to be lenient on home loan offers, and then scolded them for being too lenient when the whole thing collapsed.  Now he is doing the same thing about health care reform.  Had the Dems left health care reform on the back burner in 2009-10 and focused on more recovery legislation, they still would have been accused of socialism, just as they were on the first stimulus bill.  And the fact that Schumer says now that health care reform couldn't then and can't now be sold as both a pressing issue for the middle class and a long-term economic necessity just shows how unable Democrats are to defend any of their policy agenda to the public.  If your party is going to push your president to adopt your policy agenda when you're in the majority and then blame him and run away from him for doing just that during the midterms after those very policies have bore some fruit, then you fully and completely deserve to lose.
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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2014, 10:33:53 AM »

Seriously, it's Chuck freaking Schumer. The dude is an asshole. He shouldn't be cited as a source denouncing anything, unless what's being denounced is Chuck Schumer.
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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2014, 11:32:35 AM »

We were focusing on ObamaCare? That's news to me.

Yeah, that was my main thought. The fact that so many Democrats who voted for it spent 2010 and 2014 running against it (and losing anyway...) is the major reason why "Obamacare" is unpopular despite all of its component pieces being popular.

It doesn't matter that Republicans straight-up lied about "triple digit rate increases" and all that. When Democrats don't fight back, the masses assume it must be true.
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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2014, 08:52:48 PM »

Schumer is horrible.


That said, he did have some good points. Plus having actually watch his statement or at least most of it, I think his point was that the Democrats should have done a bunch of economic related things first and then proceeded to advance to healthcare. He also acknowledged that letting the Republicans control the messaging on the bill created the opening for Republicans.
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« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2014, 08:54:42 PM »


His underlying theme is close to what the Democrats should focus on (as I said in the other thread) but neither Clinton, nor himself are the ones to sell it to the people.
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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2014, 12:27:10 AM »

Schumer, like so many other Clinton-era Democrats, would be content to do nothing if it meant protecting Democratic Congressional majorities.

Notice that his critique is entirely political. He's not saying that the Affordable Care Act is bad policy, or that it has made people's lives worse; only that Democrats would have lost fewer seats. Sure, that's plausible. But if that's your highest priority, why even bother?

Exactly why I fear Schumer ever being Majority Leader. All he cares about is power, not what to do with it.
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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2014, 12:37:39 AM »
« Edited: November 28, 2014, 12:39:57 AM by Sawx, King in the North »

Schumer trying to get off the naughty list for Christmas. That's something to be thankful for.

He's right, but I wonder why it took 6 years of electoral beat down for him to say something publicly. Everything hinged on lower class and lower-middle class rejuvenation after 2008. Unfortunately, it was clear that Democrats could not achieve consensus within their own ranks as to how healthcare would be used to further a populist economic agenda. Rather than abandon a loser and search for another way to make the middle class strong, they fought amongst themselves, and wasted a year on a bad bill that wasn't going to work.

For the life of me, I'll never understand why the Democratic Party is stuck on stupid. They get shellacked by Reagan, but they don't change. They inherit power again after the Great Recession, only to commence with their ineffective social rabble rousing.

Democrats who think their party is actually going to create competent productive policy are about as smart as Republicans who think their party is going to cut spending.

I see it differently. They changed their economic strategy - they just adopted what I like to call Diet Reaganomics. Instead of simply pushing their economic strategy, or making a populist agenda, their all-encompassing panacea is to move to the center on every single issue - or, in some cases (like Obamacare) adopt the other side's plan. They expect it to become a circlejerk of bipartisanship, where Reid, McConnell, Obama, Boehner, and Pelosi walk into the meadows of DC hand in hand having a picnic, but that's hard to do when the other party is jousting with you for power. The GOP's countered Democratic triangulation by simply moving farther to the right, and the Democrats' only way to keep their base on board is by distracting them with a bunch of feel-good bullsh*t (like furthering the cause of "social justice" by having a bunch of men explain to women that they should have the right to choose instead of the government oppressing them, or keeping guns out of the suburbs).

People like Chuck Schumer are why I left the party. I can talk about how the party isn't a place for the left all I want, but now, it seems like they don't even have the balls to defend their appeasement of the right anymore.
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