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pbrower2a
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« on: December 02, 2014, 01:42:27 AM »
« edited: December 06, 2014, 06:33:01 PM by pbrower2a »

Most relevant:

1. (tie) US Senator or State governor. Ten points each.
3. (tie) Vice-President of the United States or 5-star general or admiral of a successfully-completed war. Eight points.
5. Mayor, city larger than 500,000. Six points.
6. Member of the US House of Representatives, two points per term up to six points. Add two for Speaker of the House.
7. Cabinet member -- Secretary of State (4), Defense (3), or Treasury (2). Any others -- one point.  
8. Spouse of a former President of the United Stats (First Lady). Three points.
9. Ambassador to the United Nations, China, Russia, or India. CIA director.  Two points.

All else is irrelevant.

I'll give my choice for who should have been President at one time -- John Voinovich. 26 points.

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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2014, 12:39:25 PM »

Experience, in my belief, is executive leadership, familiarity with the issues, and matching the mood of the times.

Ronald Reagan, at the time of his 1980 election, would be my gold standard. He not only had first hand with the issues, dating back to 1964, but he additionally served as a major state governor. He became an experienced executive by the time he left the California governorship, and combined with his mastery of the issues, he managed to dominate the country politically in the 1980s. If an issue in the 1980s wasn't dealt with, it was frankly because Reagan didn't care about it or didn't believe in dealing with it on a federal level.

Bill Clinton comes in second after Reagan. Arkansas governor for (a combined) 12 years, fit the neoliberal 1990s, and managed to achieve a good deal. His understanding of the mood of the 1990s was invaluable. Another President might have tried to push it too far one way or the other. His centrism allowed him to ride the 1990s.

George W. Bush had considerable executive experience but had only a passing familiarity with the issues facing the United States. Consequently, Bush had a far less successful presidency than Bill Clinton. A lot of executive experience, but little familiarity with the issues. One might say had he had Reagan's grasp of major issues or Clinton's intellect, he would have avoided many of the issues, like Iraq.

Dubya fit the mood of the time -- one in which people were concerned only with the more primal drives of life or with theological fears. We know how that turned out. Dubya had good intentions in promoting a real estate boom; good intentions are not enough.  

...My scale says nothing about quality aside from saying that someone who does certain things has done a few things right to be President. Joe Biden would get 16 points, yet few would want him to be elected President. He has had plenty of chances.

"Mayor of a large city" does not distinguish between being Mayor of Detroit and turning it around (should that ever happen) and being Mayor of Hempstead, New York (it really is that big -- and if you have never heard of it it is because you do not live on Long Island; it does not pass my spell-check) and doing nothing remarkable. Indeed, being mayor of Lima, Ohio (a real dump) and turning it around should matter more than being mayor of Plano, Texas. Of course, being the mayor of a small city and performing miracles might lead to the Governorship of a State or to the US Senate through the House of Representatives.

We have never elected the mayor of a giant city directly to the Presidency; our last opportunity was Rudy Giuliani.    

I limited experience in the House because although having experience in both the House and Senate is richer preparation for the Presidency, being a perennial winner of a safe seat is not.

First Lady? Would Eleanore Roosevelt have been a good President? Maybe. But who better knows the intricacies of the White House -- and I don't mean where the drapery hardware sags.    
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2014, 04:18:39 PM »

Eisenhower had no elected experience -- but much of his military service was in lobbying for defense preparations when such was a low priority. He had to know his way around the political system.

But that is an oddity. I know of no other WWII-era military officer who would have had the unique combination of characteristics that Ike had.
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2014, 06:58:42 PM »

The ideal for me is some mix of executive experience and knowledge of Washington.

This, and that would include private sector executive experience.



It's hard to see what private-sector experience would be best. Being an assembly-line worker who gets into the union and becomes a successful politician within the union and becomes the leader of a labor union might be wonderful experience; a big union such as the Teamsters of the UAW is in practice a big business due to the budget and other responsibilities.

Most people become specialists. Would finance, marketing, engineering, advertising, research, or accounting be most relevant? In a way all of those require a high level of intelligence, but they all have their deficiencies. Significantly, much of the power of any corporate executive is the ability to fire anyone who gets in his way... so try 'firing' the leader of the opposition while President of the United States. A President with such power would be a tyrant.

Profit-and-loss experience does not well fit government. Owners of giant plantations as a rule had huge experience in profit-and-loss -- but after the Civil War how few 'planter' types have eventually became President? The closest was Jimmy Carter, who spent much time as a peanut farmer. Even if he was free from the most anti-egalitarian characteristics that one associates with Southern agrarian types he was still an awful President.

Harry Truman had a checkered record as an entrepreneur. His haberdasher shop failed, and his foray into oil was far from successful (he did not stick with what would have been a good investment long enough). He was a wonderful fit as a politician, though.

Captain of a cruise ship? Would be interesting.     
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