Israel General Election Thread: March 17 2015

[Vosem]

Did he get a spot on the list? He didn't get a realistic one.

Jeremy says spot #12. Probably still more realistic than Kadima spot #1.

[136or142]

In case people haven't seen this, there are virtually daily polling on the Israeli election.  The polls are, for the most party, surprisingly consistent as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Israeli_legislative_election,_2015

[DavidB.]

Did he get a spot on the list? He didn't get a realistic one.

12, so indeed, not realistic. But Kadima would not have gotten in as well, so no big loss.

[Famous Mortimer]

Oh wow, 12 isn't so bad. Kulanu is definitely the kind of party I could see indecisive Moderate Heroes breaking for at the last minute.

[Famous Mortimer]

According to this:

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-Elections/Bayit-Yehudi-primary-could-be-postponed-over-transparency-complaints-387643

Akram Hasoon endorsed a Druze candidate in the Jewish Home primary. Just a thing.

[DavidB.]

According to this:

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-Elections/Bayit-Yehudi-primary-could-be-postponed-over-transparency-complaints-387643

Akram Hasoon endorsed a Druze candidate in the Jewish Home primary. Just a thing.

Very interesting. Ah well. Welcome to Israeli politics... And the Jewish Home guy didn't get a realistic spot anyway.

[danny]

According to this:

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-Elections/Bayit-Yehudi-primary-could-be-postponed-over-transparency-complaints-387643

Akram Hasoon endorsed a Druze candidate in the Jewish Home primary. Just a thing.

That's just normal Druze clientalistic politics.

[Comrade Funk]

Panels/Knesset

Likud - 25
Labor/Livini - 24
Jewish Home - 13
United Arab Parties - 12
Yesh Atid - 11
Kulanu - 8
UTJ - 7
Shas - 6
Meretz - 5
Yisrael Beitenu - 5
Racists - 4

[DavidB.]

Panels/Knesset

Likud - 25
Labor/Livini - 24
Jewish Home - 13
United Arab Parties - 12
Yesh Atid - 11
Kulanu - 8
UTJ - 7
Shas - 6
Meretz - 5
Yisrael Beitenu - 5
Racists - 4

Calling Eli Yishai's party "racists" doesn't make sense at all. I suggest you just put "Yachad Ha'am Itanu-Otzma" there.

On topic: in both the Dialog and the Panel poll Yachad Ha'am Itanu-Otzma reached the threshold, and Likud outpolled the "Zionist" Union both times.

I expect a Likud surge after Bibi's speech for the Congress. Many Israelis will agree with what he'll say, even if they're not real Bibi fans.

[ag]

Panels/Knesset

Likud - 25
Labor/Livini - 24
Jewish Home - 13
United Arab Parties - 12
Yesh Atid - 11
Kulanu - 8
UTJ - 7
Shas - 6
Meretz - 5
Yisrael Beitenu - 5
Racists - 4

Calling Eli Yishai's party "racists" doesn't make sense at all. I suggest you just put "Yachad Ha'am Itanu-Otzma" there.

Well, including a Nazi in the list would have an effect on one's reputation, wouldn't it?

[Famous Mortimer]

Panels/Knesset

Likud - 25
Labor/Livini - 24
Jewish Home - 13
United Arab Parties - 12
Yesh Atid - 11
Kulanu - 8
UTJ - 7
Shas - 6
Meretz - 5
Yisrael Beitenu - 5
Racists - 4

Calling Eli Yishai's party "racists" doesn't make sense at all. I suggest you just put "Yachad Ha'am Itanu-Otzma" there.

Well, including a Nazi in the list would have an effect on one's reputation, wouldn't it?

Andrés Manuel López Obrador joined Yishai's party?

[ag]

Panels/Knesset

Likud - 25
Labor/Livini - 24
Jewish Home - 13
United Arab Parties - 12
Yesh Atid - 11
Kulanu - 8
UTJ - 7
Shas - 6
Meretz - 5
Yisrael Beitenu - 5
Racists - 4

Calling Eli Yishai's party "racists" doesn't make sense at all. I suggest you just put "Yachad Ha'am Itanu-Otzma" there.

Well, including a Nazi in the list would have an effect on one's reputation, wouldn't it?

Andrés Manuel López Obrador joined Yishai's party?

Good one

But, then, let me go on being terminolgical Nazi AMLO may be a wannabe Duce, and a national socialist, but he is too Latin to use the two-sylable word

[Vosem]

Panels/Knesset

Likud - 25
Labor/Livini - 24
Jewish Home - 13
United Arab Parties - 12
Yesh Atid - 11
Kulanu - 8
UTJ - 7
Shas - 6
Meretz - 5
Yisrael Beitenu - 5
Racists - 4

Calling Eli Yishai's party "racists" doesn't make sense at all. I suggest you just put "Yachad Ha'am Itanu-Otzma" there.

Well, factually it's correct. I'll agree that it doesn't make much sense to single them out, considering parties like Balad, Ra'am, and Shas are also running.

[ag]

Panels/Knesset

Likud - 25
Labor/Livini - 24
Jewish Home - 13
United Arab Parties - 12
Yesh Atid - 11
Kulanu - 8
UTJ - 7
Shas - 6
Meretz - 5
Yisrael Beitenu - 5
Racists - 4

Calling Eli Yishai's party "racists" doesn't make sense at all. I suggest you just put "Yachad Ha'am Itanu-Otzma" there.

Well, factually it's correct. I'll agree that it doesn't make much sense to single them out, considering parties like Balad, Ra'am, and Shas are also running.

I think you are confusing Balad and Likud

[DavidB.]

Panels/Knesset

Likud - 25
Labor/Livini - 24
Jewish Home - 13
United Arab Parties - 12
Yesh Atid - 11
Kulanu - 8
UTJ - 7
Shas - 6
Meretz - 5
Yisrael Beitenu - 5
Racists - 4

Calling Eli Yishai's party "racists" doesn't make sense at all. I suggest you just put "Yachad Ha'am Itanu-Otzma" there.

Well, factually it's correct.

No, it's not. Islam is not a race.

Another poll by Panel today:

Current Knesset seats in [brackets]
26 [18] Likud
22 [20] Zionist Union (Labor-Livni)
13 [11] Bayit Yehudi
12 [11] United Arab List
11 [20] Yesh Atid
08 [07] Yahadut Hatorah/UTJ
07 [02] Koolanu (Kahlon+Kadima)
06 [10] Shas
06 [06] Meretz
05 [13] Yisrael Beitenu
04 [02] Yachad (Yishai+Chetboun+Marzel)

69 [63] Right-Religious-Kahlon (Parties that have not ruled out a BB coalition)
51 [57] Center-Left-Arab (Parties that have ruled out a BB coalition)

[MalaspinaGold]

Are you stupid?

Going beyond Yishai's comments about African immigrants (including his hilarious "white man" comment), I can tell you based on the experiences of a friend of mine that Marzel is literally more racist/fascist than Kahane.

[DavidB.]

Are you stupid?

Going beyond Yishai's comments about African immigrants (including his hilarious "white man" comment), I can tell you based on the experiences of a friend of mine that Marzel is literally more racist/fascist than Kahane.

Based on the experiences of a friend of yours. Oh wow. That must definitely be true! *yawn* Not impressed by your boohoo, sorry.

[warandwar]

Panels/Knesset

Likud - 25
Labor/Livini - 24
Jewish Home - 13
United Arab Parties - 12
Yesh Atid - 11
Kulanu - 8
UTJ - 7
Shas - 6
Meretz - 5
Yisrael Beitenu - 5
Racists - 4

Calling Eli Yishai's party "racists" doesn't make sense at all. I suggest you just put "Yachad Ha'am Itanu-Otzma" there.

Well, factually it's correct.

No, it's not. Islam is not a race.

Another poll by Panel today:

Current Knesset seats in [brackets]
26 [18] Likud
22 [20] Zionist Union (Labor-Livni)
13 [11] Bayit Yehudi
12 [11] United Arab List
11 [20] Yesh Atid
08 [07] Yahadut Hatorah/UTJ
07 [02] Koolanu (Kahlon+Kadima)
06 [10] Shas
06 [06] Meretz
05 [13] Yisrael Beitenu
04 [02] Yachad (Yishai+Chetboun+Marzel)

69 [63] Right-Religious-Kahlon (Parties that have not ruled out a BB coalition)
51 [57] Center-Left-Arab (Parties that have ruled out a BB coalition)

Pause for reflection: Kach was banned for being racist
Not all Palestinians are Muslim
I'd mention the awful things marzel has said but I'd feel dirty writing them.

[DavidB.]

Panels/Knesset

Likud - 25
Labor/Livini - 24
Jewish Home - 13
United Arab Parties - 12
Yesh Atid - 11
Kulanu - 8
UTJ - 7
Shas - 6
Meretz - 5
Yisrael Beitenu - 5
Racists - 4

Calling Eli Yishai's party "racists" doesn't make sense at all. I suggest you just put "Yachad Ha'am Itanu-Otzma" there.

Well, factually it's correct.

No, it's not. Islam is not a race.

Another poll by Panel today:

Current Knesset seats in [brackets]
26 [18] Likud
22 [20] Zionist Union (Labor-Livni)
13 [11] Bayit Yehudi
12 [11] United Arab List
11 [20] Yesh Atid
08 [07] Yahadut Hatorah/UTJ
07 [02] Koolanu (Kahlon+Kadima)
06 [10] Shas
06 [06] Meretz
05 [13] Yisrael Beitenu
04 [02] Yachad (Yishai+Chetboun+Marzel)

69 [63] Right-Religious-Kahlon (Parties that have not ruled out a BB coalition)
51 [57] Center-Left-Arab (Parties that have ruled out a BB coalition)

Pause for reflection: Kach was banned for being racist
Not all Palestinians are Muslim
I'd mention the awful things marzel has said but I'd feel dirty writing them.

So now the invented "Palestinian" people has even become a "race"? Inventing definitions with lefties never became so original! And getting called a racist by people who would vote for Balad, like "Malaspinagold", would be an honor for me.

Now let's move back to a far more interesting topic: the Israeli elections.

[warandwar]

I can see the smirk on your face as you wrote that.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Let's try to keep this thread as calm and reasonable as possible. If this means not commenting on certain matters, then do not comment on those matters. Thanks.

[ag]

So now the invented "Palestinian" people has even become a "race"?

In the same way that the equally invented "Jewish" people did. As a racist yourself, you would have first-hand experience in how this happens.

[Vosem]

The English word "racism" is frequently and commonly used to refer beliefs involving discrimination and inferiority/superiority among ethnic groups in addition to races. There is no Jewish (or Israeli) race (though both are ethnic groups, of which the one is part of the other), just as there is no Palestinian (or Arab) race (though both are ethnic groups, of which one is part of the other).

As for racism among parties running in the Israeli election of 2015, there are several groups that probably "deserve" banning under the 1988 law (which bans not only racism, but also the denial of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state). But none will be. The law of 1988 was originally passed in order to ban not one but two parties: Kach, which was banned for being racist, and the Progressive List for Peace, which was to be banned for denying that Israel is a Jewish state (and which thankfully has since fallen apart). This was very, very controversial, and the Supreme Court's decision to uphold the ban on Kach while striking down the ban on the PLP was also. Since then, in order to maintain basically the image of the Supreme Court as a neutral arbiter in Israeli politics, no bans have ever been upheld (except the ban on Kach itself, and on a descendant party literally named after Kahane), which has allowed racists and anti-Zionists, including literal Kahanists like Michael Ben-Ari (and, unfortunately, probably soon Baruch Marzel) and Syrian fifth columnists like Azmi Bishara and the rest of his party, to infiltrate the Knesset.

[DavidB.]

So now the invented "Palestinian" people has even become a "race"?

In the same way that the equally invented "Jewish" people did. As a racist yourself, you would have first-hand experience in how this happens.

Lol! Still don't care about Israel haters and Jew bashers calling me a racist, only makes me smile, so thanks for that.

Let's try to keep this thread as calm and reasonable as possible. If this means not commenting on certain matters, then do not comment on those matters. Thanks.

And now I feel we should listen to this wise man, because it would be a shame if this thread would become only a place for fighting.

[Comrade Funk]

So now the invented "Palestinian" people has even become a "race"?

In the same way that the equally invented "Jewish" people did. As a racist yourself, you would have first-hand experience in how this happens.

Lol! Still don't care about Israel haters and Jew bashers calling me a racist, only makes me smile, so thanks for that.

Let's try to keep this thread as calm and reasonable as possible. If this means not commenting on certain matters, then do not comment on those matters. Thanks.

And now I feel we should listen to this wise man, because it would be a shame if this thread would become only a place for fighting.

I am Jewish. You are racist. Please stop.