Opinion of new UK porn production regulations

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html

Horrible Regulation. Unnecessary, draconian, and incredibly misogynistic in scope.

[politicus]

Banning facesitting and female ejaculation is stupid, otherwise they seem sensible to me.

[TNF]

Gotta love misogyny dressed up as concern for the rights of women.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

It's important to regulate pornography, but this goes too far and dips into puritanical misogyny.

[Murica!]

HR but accidentally clicked FR.

[TNF]

It's important to regulate pornography, but this goes too far and dips into puritanical misogyny.

I more or less agree with this sentiment, in all honesty. Pornography is an outgrowth of a misogynistic society and will (hopefully) wither away with the smashing of patriarchy.

[Cassius]

It's important to regulate pornography, but this goes too far and dips into puritanical misogyny.

I more or less agree with this sentiment, in all honesty. Pornography is an outgrowth of a misogynistic society and will (hopefully) wither away with the smashing of patriarchy.

No, pornography is an outgrowth of a society in which people w***. Demand is, in this case, amply met by supply. Are you suggesting that in a society where the 'patriarchy' has been smashed people would no longer w***?

[Lief 🗽]

I mostly agree with CrabCake and TNF.

[TNF]

It's important to regulate pornography, but this goes too far and dips into puritanical misogyny.

I more or less agree with this sentiment, in all honesty. Pornography is an outgrowth of a misogynistic society and will (hopefully) wither away with the smashing of patriarchy.

No, pornography is an outgrowth of a society in which people w***. Demand is, in this case, amply met by supply. Are you suggesting that in a society where the 'patriarchy' has been smashed people would no longer w***?

No, I'm suggesting that in place of patriarchy, we will have a sexually open society. Erotica is something different than pornography in my mind, and I see no reason as to why we would see that vanish in the absence of patriarchy, given that it has more or less existed throughout every stage of human development. People will be able to engage in free sexual expression, and very likely free love will be the norm, so I highly doubt you'd have the conditions that give rise to pornography as a social ill in the first place, because of course, you're never going to smash patriarchy without killing the economic system from which it has its roots.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Curiously and alarmingly specific.

No, I'm suggesting that in place of patriarchy, we will have a sexually open society. Erotica is something different than pornography in my mind...

Good old irregular verbs. I watch erotica; you watch pornography; he watches obscene films.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

No, pornography is an outgrowth of a society in which people w***. Demand is, in this case, amply met by supply. Are you suggesting that in a society where the 'patriarchy' has been smashed people would no longer w***?

This is some weird obepoesque self-censoring. 'Wank' is generally not a verboten word. And if you find it to vulgar to type, you could just go for 'masturbate', or perhaps one of the thousand euphemisms and milder slang terms out there...

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I agree with CrabCake. If the production of pornography isn't going to be banned outright--an outcome which I would like to see in an ideal world but recognize is very probably not practicable in reality, not least because of the notorious difficulty of defining what pornography is exactly--then this particular set of restrictions does not provide a good way to go about regulating it.

I'd say I agree with TNF, too, but I won't since I think the sexual mores of his and my ideal societies would probably look quite different.

[Deus Naturae]

Yeah, even in a much more sexually open society people aren't going to have sex with those they find highly unattractive. Thus, the demand for porn is born.

And what's inherently misogynistic about porn?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Pornography as it's actually produced is almost invariably misogynistic. Pornography as an abstract concept I suppose doesn't have to be, although I at least would still have other, more, shall we say, 'gender-neutral' moral qualms about turning sex or prurient (such a difficult adjective to define with a sufficient degree of reproducibility to inform public policy!) depictions of sex into occasions for paid labor and/or consumer goods.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Also, the restrictions on dominatrixes fly in the face of our dear Chancellor's personal tastes.

[Deus Naturae]

Pornography as it's actually produced is almost invariably misogynistic.

I realize that you believe that. The reason I asked a question is because I want to know why.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The actual content on the screen may or may not be misogynistic in its nature as narrative (using the term 'narrative', obviously, incredibly loosely) depending on the pornography in question, but a significant enough proprortion of the performers, particularly the women, are there because of some sort of dire economic straits (that usually intersect with other instances of misogyny in the world's social and economic structures) and don't actually want to be doing what they're doing that most of the time it's essentially impossible to ensure that what you're watching isn't being experienced as rape for at least some of them. I'd also submit that, in a society that already has the marked tendency to view women as objects or as sexual commodities, reification and commodificaiton of sex or depictions of sex by its very nature exacerbates that tendency, even when it might not engender that tendency in a society that lacked it.

[bedstuy]

Personally, I think the content of pornography should be protected by free speech laws with the obvious exception of child pornography.

And, it's unfair to presume that women are these delicate, non-sexual beings who would never "debase" themselves by acting in pornography.  We have such a tendency to pathologize female sexuality on both the left and the right.  Who are you to say that the only reason a women do a certain sex act is that she's under duress or that this isn't what she really wants?

Personally, I think women are responsible enough to make these choices themselves.  And, it's true that money does enter into the equation here, but that's hardly unique.  Most people have jobs because they need money.  That's how we get people to work at McDonald's and do our taxes.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

And, it's unfair to presume that women are these delicate, non-sexual beings who would never "debase" themselves by acting in pornography.  We have such a tendency to pathologize female sexuality on both the left and the right.  Who are you to say that the only reason a women do a certain sex act is that she's under duress or that this isn't what she really wants?

I didn't say it was the only reason. That would be an obviously specious assertion.

[Bigby]

More bullsh**t big gov't regulation, so deeply HR.

[Goldwater]

Awful.

[IceSpear]

is this real life

[Illuminati Blood Drinker]

Why do you think it's "Lie back and think of England"?

[SNJ1985]

FR, even though they don't go far enough (pornography should be banned altogether).

[Bigby]

FR, even though they don't go far enough (pornography should be banned altogether).

You're an evil man.