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« on: April 17, 2005, 11:52:25 am »
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(Same question as in the Ted Kennedy as the Dem post.)  Would Wallace do well in the 1972 election against Nixon?
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2005, 11:53:38 am »
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I'd assume that he'd win some southern states if he was the nominee that year.
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2005, 01:40:07 pm »
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Could I see a map for this?
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2005, 08:23:35 pm »
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Could I see a map for this?

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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2005, 09:05:29 pm »
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He might have done better than McGovern, winning AL, MS, and maybe GA, SC, and NC.

Nixon might have been the first Republican to win DC and I'd expect MA to go to him.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2005, 07:57:56 pm »
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2005, 08:42:19 pm »
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The election may have had some somewhat important long-term effects, as well, since Nixon's "Southern Strategy" and "states rights" ideas would have been much less significant. Naturally, Nixon would still have won in a landslide.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2005, 09:19:58 pm »
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can I see a map?
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2005, 10:54:08 pm »
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Nixon - 405
Wallace - 133
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2005, 01:35:57 pm »
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Nixon - 405
Wallace - 133

u think Wallace would win Michigan?
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2005, 02:13:43 am »
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Presumably based on the fact that Wallace did win Michigan and Indiana in the primary. Ironically, though, this is because the "Southerners" in those states were still mainly conservative Democrats, the Midwestern types leaned Republican. Blacks will not vote for Wallace.

I agree with thefactor, except Mass and DC will go for Nixon, becasue of voter apathy.
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2005, 08:50:41 pm »
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Wallace - 17
Nixon - 521

Wallace only weakened certain places and I was pretty nice to Wallace.  This is the better looking outlook for Wallace.
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2005, 09:12:12 pm »
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Wallace wins the south (excluding Missouri and Kentucky).

Kennedy makes an independent run with Scoop Jackson as his running mate. He wins Illinois, New Jersey, Massachusetts, New York, and Minnesota.

Nixon wins the rest, and wins the election.
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Wallace wins the south (excluding Missouri and Kentucky).

Kennedy makes an independent run with Scoop Jackson as his running mate. He wins Illinois, New Jersey, Massachusetts, New York, and Minnesota.

Nixon wins the rest, and wins the election.
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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2005, 04:19:25 am »
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Wallace - 17
Nixon - 521

Wallace only weakened certain places and I was pretty nice to Wallace.  This is the better looking outlook for Wallace.
Wallace wouldn't win Alabama and Mississippi?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2005, 08:54:39 am »
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Wallace - 17
Nixon - 521

Wallace only weakened certain places and I was pretty nice to Wallace.  This is the better looking outlook for Wallace.
Wallace wouldn't win Alabama and Mississippi?  Roll Eyes
No, he could weaken them, but not win them.
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2005, 06:36:20 am »
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Off topic Spl, but Dennis Kucinich is likely to get the 2008 Democratic nomination?  I assume you are joking.
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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2005, 08:39:24 am »
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Off topic Spl, but Dennis Kucinich is likely to get the 2008 Democratic nomination?  I assume you are joking.

Not really, he is a contender, but not likely.  He had his shot in '00.  I went to a website.  And it showed possible candidates in '08.  So I picked the most Conservative and most Liberal off the list.  I doubt either party will vote for a Moderate.  The ones with stars are the farthest Right or Left.
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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2005, 08:33:41 pm »
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Off topic Spl, but Dennis Kucinich is likely to get the 2008 Democratic nomination?  I assume you are joking.

Not really, he is a contender, but not likely.  He had his shot in '00.  I went to a website.  And it showed possible candidates in '08.  So I picked the most Conservative and most Liberal off the list.  I doubt either party will vote for a Moderate.  The ones with stars are the farthest Right or Left.

Well, yes, but Kucinich received about 1% of the primary vote in 2000 if I recall.  The party isn't going to nominate a Congressman, and Kucinich is even more liberal than the vast majority of primary voters.
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2005, 11:00:07 am »
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Nixon         523
Wallace        15

Nixon was going to win a landslide of historic proportions in 1972 regardless of who the Democratic nominee was.  A weak presidential candidate like Wallace would further strengthen Nixon's already tremendous lead.   What became known as the Watergate Scandal was not even heard of by 99.99% of Americans before the 1972 election.

There is no way that any states outside of Alabama and Mississippi would give their electoral votes to Wallace, at one time an avowed racist and segregtionist, although by 1972 was trying to reform his name.

Not even dependable Democratic states like Massachusetts and Rhode Island would have gone for Wallace, and for the first time in history, I belive DC would have gone Republican.  There is no way the predominantly African American voters in DC would give their votes to Wallace.       
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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2005, 07:23:31 pm »
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DC would vote for the D, no matter what.
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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2005, 06:05:52 pm »
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DC would vote for the D, no matter what.

You are being extremely generous to Wallace, either that, or very kind.

Why do you think DC, overwhelmingly African American, would give their votes to Wallace, a one time avowed racist and segregationist?

Just curious.
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2005, 08:21:35 pm »
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They wouldn't, Wallace wins Alabama and Mississippi and that's it. 
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