Cop in Eric Garner's death not indicted

[Mehmentum]

The fact that his next tweet is about Benghazi is hilarious.  What more could there possibly be to discuss on Benghazi?  The Republicans are trying SO hard to get a scandal on Hillary.

[Eraserhead]

It seems that many prominent conservatives aren't even drinking the pro-police Kool-aid on this one.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/eric-garner-conservatives-chokehold_n_6264886.html

Why would they?  Stop being pathetic and politicizing a death.  No conservative on here besides that ONE poster with a very clear bias toward cops has said ANYTHING defending the police.

It's a political website and it's a political issue (in addition to being a moral one), so quit your bitchin'.

[Eraserhead]

I don't claim to know all the facts (and won't be able to know anything more than was on the video until the grand jury transcript is released), but inasmuch as 1) Garner was committing a petty crime (selling cigarettes illegally), and the cops felt the need to handcuff him nevertheless, and when he resisted, shoved him to the ground, and then the cop uses a choke hold that is against police policy and unnecessary to boot, and then Garner says he can't breathe, and the choke hold continues even though there was no life threatening situation here to the cops, then 2) assuming the choke hold was the cause of death, my tentative view is that we have a case of criminal manslaughter here, to wit, gross negligence that showed a reckless disregard for human life that shocks the conscience, and thus rises from a civil tort to the level of a criminal act. So if causation can be shown, it seems to me that we do indeed have a miscarriage of justice here, in a way that is far clearer than the Brian Wilson episode in Ferguson. JMO.  

Well said but I think you're referring to the Darren Wilson episode not the Brian Wilson episode. I don't believe that any of the Beach Boys were involved in that incident.

[memphis]

Peter King represents an Obama district. Hopefully, with this awful comment, he can be replaced by somebody far better.

[Slander and/or Libel]

It seems that many prominent conservatives aren't even drinking the pro-police Kool-aid on this one.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/eric-garner-conservatives-chokehold_n_6264886.html

Why would they?  Stop being pathetic and politicizing a death.  No conservative on here besides that ONE poster with a very clear bias toward cops has said ANYTHING defending the police.

You realize there are a lot of significant differences between the average conservative on Atlas and then prominent conservatives in the media/Congress, right?

Fine, but turn on Fox News then.  Nobody is defending this.

Wrong.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/people-who-blame-eric-garner

[Landslide Lyndon]

Peter King represents an Obama district. Hopefully, with this awful comment, he can be replaced by somebody far better.

Unfortunately he is too popular with the Archie Bunkers who populate this district.

[Rockefeller GOP]

It seems that many prominent conservatives aren't even drinking the pro-police Kool-aid on this one.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/eric-garner-conservatives-chokehold_n_6264886.html

Why would they?  Stop being pathetic and politicizing a death.  No conservative on here besides that ONE poster with a very clear bias toward cops has said ANYTHING defending the police.

It's a political website and it's a political issue (in addition to being a moral one), so quit your bitchin'.

You held your OWN expectation that conservatives would take whichever stance you disagreed with and when they didn't, you said *even* conservatives aren't defending the police.  Even when everyone agreed, you had to toss out some partisan, trash comment.

[Silent Hunter]

Am I right in thinking that back in the 1950s, there wouldn't have been a grand jury for this sort of thing?

[t_host1]

It seems that many prominent conservatives aren't even drinking the pro-police Kool-aid on this one.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/eric-garner-conservatives-chokehold_n_6264886.html

Why would they?  Stop being pathetic and politicizing a death.  No conservative on here besides that ONE poster with a very clear bias toward cops has said ANYTHING defending the police.

You realize there are a lot of significant differences between the average conservative on Atlas and then prominent conservatives in the media/Congress, right?

Fine, but turn on Fox News then.  Nobody is defending this.

Wrong.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/people-who-blame-eric-garner

Correct, just be careful how you point out this cause and effect. The truth is hard to handle.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Correct, just be careful how you point out this cause and effect. The truth is hard to handle.

Not as hard as trying to decipher your posts.

[Smash255]

Staten Island Dan Donovan did NOT ask for Reckless Endangerment charge

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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-commissioner-bill-bratton-defends-de-blasio-article-1.2034559

[The_Doctor]

It appeared he has a long history with law enforcement dating to 1980. That may be why they were suspicious and assumed that he was a suspect.

Tragic though. Wish it had been resolved more peacefully.

[All Along The Watchtower]

It seems that many prominent conservatives aren't even drinking the pro-police Kool-aid on this one.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/eric-garner-conservatives-chokehold_n_6264886.html

Why would they?  Stop being pathetic and politicizing a death.  No conservative on here besides that ONE poster with a very clear bias toward cops has said ANYTHING defending the police.

It's a political website and it's a political issue (in addition to being a moral one), so quit your bitchin'.

You held your OWN expectation that conservatives would take whichever stance you disagreed with and when they didn't, you said *even* conservatives aren't defending the police.  Even when everyone agreed, you had to toss out some partisan, trash comment.

Oh get over your persecution complex.

[MaxQue]

Why not focus on the real criminal, Dan Donovan?

[Eraserhead]

It seems that many prominent conservatives aren't even drinking the pro-police Kool-aid on this one.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/eric-garner-conservatives-chokehold_n_6264886.html

Why would they?  Stop being pathetic and politicizing a death.  No conservative on here besides that ONE poster with a very clear bias toward cops has said ANYTHING defending the police.

It's a political website and it's a political issue (in addition to being a moral one), so quit your bitchin'.

You held your OWN expectation that conservatives would take whichever stance you disagreed with and when they didn't, you said *even* conservatives aren't defending the police.  Even when everyone agreed, you had to toss out some partisan, trash comment.

Not everyone agrees though. Obviously. This thread alone has proved that. But please continue your faux outrage, it's actually becoming quite amusing at this point.

[Eraserhead]

Peter King represents an Obama district. Hopefully, with this awful comment, he can be replaced by somebody far better.

Maybe if the Democratic Presidential candidate loses in '16 he can be dethroned in '18 or '20 but even then it'd be a long shot at best sadly.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Staten Island Dan Donovan did NOT ask for Reckless Endangerment charge

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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-commissioner-bill-bratton-defends-de-blasio-article-1.2034559

This makes the jury's decision more understandable, but what was the prosecutor thinking here?

[MaxQue]

Staten Island Dan Donovan did NOT ask for Reckless Endangerment charge

You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-commissioner-bill-bratton-defends-de-blasio-article-1.2034559

This makes the jury's decision more understandable, but what was the prosecutor thinking here?

He was thinking about protecting the policeman, obviously. Like I said, the real criminal is Dan Donovan.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Staten Island Dan Donovan did NOT ask for Reckless Endangerment charge

This makes the jury's decision more understandable, but what was the prosecutor thinking here?

He was thinking about protecting the policeman, obviously. Like I said, the real criminal is Dan Donovan.

In that case it ran the risk of backfiring if the jury felt strongly like they needed to indict him for something. 

[Smash255]

Staten Island Dan Donovan did NOT ask for Reckless Endangerment charge

This makes the jury's decision more understandable, but what was the prosecutor thinking here?

He was thinking about protecting the policeman, obviously. Like I said, the real criminal is Dan Donovan.

In that case it ran the risk of backfiring if the jury felt strongly like they needed to indict him for something. 

He should have been indicted anyway, but it doesn't change the fact its complete bull s*** that Donovan left off the easiest things to indict him for.

[© tweed]

Peter King represents an Obama district. Hopefully, with this awful comment, he can be replaced by somebody far better.

Maybe if the Democratic Presidential candidate loses in '16 he can be dethroned in '18 or '20 but even then it'd be a long shot at best sadly.

when Mejias lost by a lot in '06 I gave up hope of knocking off King before God does.  as did most local and national Dems.

[Brittain33]

In that case it ran the risk of backfiring if the jury felt strongly like they needed to indict him for something. 

Considering that the grand jury was drawn from Staten Island residents with some disqualified by the prosecutor, he was surely certain this was no risk.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

In that case it ran the risk of backfiring if the jury felt strongly like they needed to indict him for something. 

Considering that the grand jury was drawn from Staten Island residents with some disqualified by the prosecutor, he was surely certain this was no risk.

that doesn't follow.

[Smash255]

Peter King represents an Obama district. Hopefully, with this awful comment, he can be replaced by somebody far better.

Maybe if the Democratic Presidential candidate loses in '16 he can be dethroned in '18 or '20 but even then it'd be a long shot at best sadly.

when Mejias lost by a lot in '06 I gave up hope of knocking off King before God does.  as did most local and national Dems.

The district is a bit friendlier now for Dems than it was with the gerrymandered district in 06, but it would still be very difficult.   Richard Schaffer in a Dem wave Presidential year would likely be the Dems best chance of knocking him off.

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In that case it ran the risk of backfiring if the jury felt strongly like they needed to indict him for something. 

Considering that the grand jury was drawn from Staten Island residents with some disqualified by the prosecutor, he was surely certain this was no risk.

that doesn't follow.

When an experienced prosecutor does not want to indict, he, in all likelihood, knows how to make sure there is no indictment. We may be safe in assuming that this guy knew what he was doing.