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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2014, 05:10:49 PM »

I think Duke would win in a landslide, winning a solid majority of whites.
Do you realize how racist this sounds?

So stating a fact is racist? Unless you think Obama reaches 65-70% in this scenario.
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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2014, 05:11:37 PM »

Duke would make it somewhat close, because Louisiana is now quite f**ked up.

Obama would still win, because Louisiana is still not that extremely f**ked up..

Duke would probably win Oklahoma and Arkansas though.

The real debate in Oklahoma would be if Duke cracks 60.
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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2014, 06:21:22 PM »

Edwin Edwards defeated Duke 61-39 in 1991. While Edwards was white, he was also known to be corrupt even then and would have easily lost to a non-Klansman opponent. Also, presumably LA was more racist 23 years ago. So Obama.

It matters how this scenario came to pass, though (and is it for the Presidency? It wasn't specified). How did David Duke become the Republican nominee? Either he's managed to completely redeem himself (did he singlehandedly save the world or something?) or it was some kind of nefarious trick. In the former scenario, he wins LA because he's done something big to overcome his obvious issues. In the latter, there's a good chance that he ends up being a de facto third party nominee with the "true" Republican candidate being a third party or write-in candidate, in which case he comes third.
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2014, 06:23:58 PM »

Edwin Edwards defeated Duke 61-39 in 1991. While Edwards was white, he was also known to be corrupt even then and would have easily lost to a non-Klansman opponent. Also, presumably LA was more racist 23 years ago. So Obama.

It matters how this scenario came to pass, though (and is it for the Presidency? It wasn't specified). How did David Duke become the Republican nominee? Either he's managed to completely redeem himself (did he singlehandedly save the world or something?) or it was some kind of nefarious trick. In the former scenario, he wins LA because he's done something big to overcome his obvious issues. In the latter, there's a good chance that he ends up being a de facto third party nominee with the "true" Republican candidate being a third party or write-in candidate, in which case he comes third.

Why would David Duke need to redeem himself to win a Republican primary? Most Republican primary voters are mini David Dukes.
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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2014, 06:48:49 PM »

Edwin Edwards defeated Duke 61-39 in 1991. While Edwards was white, he was also known to be corrupt even then and would have easily lost to a non-Klansman opponent. Also, presumably LA was more racist 23 years ago. So Obama.

It matters how this scenario came to pass, though (and is it for the Presidency? It wasn't specified). How did David Duke become the Republican nominee? Either he's managed to completely redeem himself (did he singlehandedly save the world or something?) or it was some kind of nefarious trick. In the former scenario, he wins LA because he's done something big to overcome his obvious issues. In the latter, there's a good chance that he ends up being a de facto third party nominee with the "true" Republican candidate being a third party or write-in candidate, in which case he comes third.

Why would David Duke need to redeem himself to win a Republican primary? Most Republican primary voters are mini David Dukes.

Considering David Duke ran for the Republican nomination for President in 1992 and got a grand total of 0.94% of the vote (and no delegates), and the country has gotten significantly less racist since then, that seems pretty suspect.
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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2014, 07:00:17 PM »

Duke could do whatever he did to make the runoff twice in the 90s. Not that its likely but this is a hypothetical. Even if the country is less racist than in the 90's, the upper bound on how crazy a republican can be and still win a primary has actually been raised significantly. And so has the upper bound on how crazy a republican can be without having their support collapse in the general. No reason to think the average LA republican would consider Obama in this scenario.
My guess would be 53-47 Duke.
Which would mean Duke won over 70% of the white vote.
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« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2014, 07:15:31 PM »

Oh my God, easily Obama.  Duke *might* win a majority of Whites and black turnout would be through the roof.

He'd never, EVER win the nomination either.

Might? You do realize Obama got about 15% of whites in LA?

Ignore him. He also thinks "moderate Republicans" still exist. His electoral analysis is worthless.

LOL, yeah ZERO moderate Republicans exist.  Susan Collins and Charlie Baker are such raging extremists.  God, you are a walking foot soldier for the Democratic Party.
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« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2014, 07:31:54 PM »

Oh my God, easily Obama.  Duke *might* win a majority of Whites and black turnout would be through the roof.

He'd never, EVER win the nomination either.

Might? You do realize Obama got about 15% of whites in LA?

Ignore him. He also thinks "moderate Republicans" still exist. His electoral analysis is worthless.

LOL, yeah ZERO moderate Republicans exist.  Susan Collins and Charlie Baker are such raging extremists.  God, you are a walking foot soldier for the Democratic Party.

Neither Susan Collins nor Charlie Baker are moderate. They may not be raving lunatics like Cruz and Paul, but they're still very conservative and just another vote for the McConnell/Christie majority.
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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2014, 08:42:49 PM »

Oh my God, easily Obama.  Duke *might* win a majority of Whites and black turnout would be through the roof.

He'd never, EVER win the nomination either.

Might? You do realize Obama got about 15% of whites in LA?

Ignore him. He also thinks "moderate Republicans" still exist. His electoral analysis is worthless.

LOL, yeah ZERO moderate Republicans exist.  Susan Collins and Charlie Baker are such raging extremists.  God, you are a walking foot soldier for the Democratic Party.

Neither Susan Collins nor Charlie Baker are moderate. They may not be raving lunatics like Cruz and Paul, but they're still very conservative and just another vote for the McConnell/Christie majority.

Maybe not moderate compared to you, but I'm guessing your idea of "moderate" is actually a pretty damn liberal politician...
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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2014, 08:45:16 PM »

Oh my God, easily Obama.  Duke *might* win a majority of Whites and black turnout would be through the roof.

He'd never, EVER win the nomination either.

Might? You do realize Obama got about 15% of whites in LA?

Ignore him. He also thinks "moderate Republicans" still exist. His electoral analysis is worthless.

LOL, yeah ZERO moderate Republicans exist.  Susan Collins and Charlie Baker are such raging extremists.  God, you are a walking foot soldier for the Democratic Party.

Neither Susan Collins nor Charlie Baker are moderate. They may not be raving lunatics like Cruz and Paul, but they're still very conservative and just another vote for the McConnell/Christie majority.

Maybe not moderate compared to you, but I'm guessing your idea of "moderate" is actually a pretty damn liberal politician...

In his defense, as someone who would have voted for Collins myself, I remember watching Collins and Bellows debate; Collins resorted to Republican talking points more than I would have liked.
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« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2014, 08:51:14 PM »

Oh my God, easily Obama.  Duke *might* win a majority of Whites and black turnout would be through the roof.

He'd never, EVER win the nomination either.

Might? You do realize Obama got about 15% of whites in LA?

Ignore him. He also thinks "moderate Republicans" still exist. His electoral analysis is worthless.

LOL, yeah ZERO moderate Republicans exist.  Susan Collins and Charlie Baker are such raging extremists.  God, you are a walking foot soldier for the Democratic Party.

Neither Susan Collins nor Charlie Baker are moderate. They may not be raving lunatics like Cruz and Paul, but they're still very conservative and just another vote for the McConnell/Christie majority.

Maybe not moderate compared to you, but I'm guessing your idea of "moderate" is actually a pretty damn liberal politician...

If you consider voting for the McConnell majority moderate, you're as bad as Ted Cruz. Any Republican senator is only as moderate as the most conservative member of the majority he or she helps elect. Shame on Susan Collins.
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« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2014, 09:16:27 PM »

I think Duke would win in a landslide, winning a solid majority of whites.

You are aware that Lousiana is one of few states that actually trended to Obama.
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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2014, 09:45:15 PM »

I think Duke would win in a landslide, winning a solid majority of whites.

You are aware that Lousiana is one of few states that actually trended to Obama.

In 2012... after massively trending against him in 2008. He still did worse than Kerry and (I think) every other Democrat except the landslide losers of Mondale and McGovern.
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« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2014, 09:47:04 PM »

I think Duke would win in a landslide, winning a solid majority of whites.

You are aware that Lousiana is one of few states that actually trended to Obama.

In 2012... after massively trending against him in 2008. He still did worse than Kerry and (I think) every other Democrat except the landslide losers of Mondale and McGovern.

Yep.

Compared to 2004, only a handful of parishes are trending D.
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« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2014, 09:48:07 PM »

The fact that anyone in this thread thinks that Obama could beat anyone in a statewide election in Louisiana is hilarious.
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« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2014, 09:55:45 PM »

Duke probably wins whites (not overwhelmingly, probably 50-60%), but Obama wins the election by crushing him in minority turnout (95%<). Obama drives up minority turnout naturally and it would be even higher with minorities turning out against Duke.
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« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2014, 09:59:13 PM »

Oh my God, easily Obama.  Duke *might* win a majority of Whites and black turnout would be through the roof.

He'd never, EVER win the nomination either.

Might? You do realize Obama got about 15% of whites in LA?

Ignore him. He also thinks "moderate Republicans" still exist. His electoral analysis is worthless.

LOL, yeah ZERO moderate Republicans exist.  Susan Collins and Charlie Baker are such raging extremists.  God, you are a walking foot soldier for the Democratic Party.

Neither Susan Collins nor Charlie Baker are moderate. They may not be raving lunatics like Cruz and Paul, but they're still very conservative and just another vote for the McConnell/Christie majority.

Maybe not moderate compared to you, but I'm guessing your idea of "moderate" is actually a pretty damn liberal politician...

If you consider voting for the McConnell majority moderate, you're as bad as Ted Cruz. Any Republican senator is only as moderate as the most conservative member of the majority he or she helps elect. Shame on Susan Collins.

So if all Republicans are as extreme as their most extreme member, does that make all Democrats Bernie Sanders?
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« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2014, 10:03:46 PM »

Duke probably wins whites (not overwhelmingly, probably 50-60%), but Obama wins the election by crushing him in minority turnout (95%<). Obama drives up minority turnout naturally and it would be even higher with minorities turning out against Duke.

This. Combine that with very low white turnout, blacks would probably be ~40% of the electorate, giving Obama around a 2:1 win.
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« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2014, 11:36:07 PM »
« Edited: December 07, 2014, 11:37:44 PM by Wulfric »

Oh my God, easily Obama.  Duke *might* win a majority of Whites and black turnout would be through the roof.

He'd never, EVER win the nomination either.

Might? You do realize Obama got about 15% of whites in LA?

Ignore him. He also thinks "moderate Republicans" still exist. His electoral analysis is worthless.

LOL, yeah ZERO moderate Republicans exist.  Susan Collins and Charlie Baker are such raging extremists.  God, you are a walking foot soldier for the Democratic Party.

Neither Susan Collins nor Charlie Baker are moderate. They may not be raving lunatics like Cruz and Paul, but they're still very conservative and just another vote for the McConnell/Christie majority.

Maybe not moderate compared to you, but I'm guessing your idea of "moderate" is actually a pretty damn liberal politician...

If you consider voting for the McConnell majority moderate, you're as bad as Ted Cruz. Any Republican senator is only as moderate as the most conservative member of the majority he or she helps elect. Shame on Susan Collins.

Christie and McConnell are hardly the two most conservative members of the republican party. Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Jim Risch, Tom Coburn, Lee Bright, Matt Bevin, Mike Crapo, Nikki Haley, Sam Brownback, Paul LePage, Mary Fallin, Ron Johnson - I could go on forever - the list of conservatives more conservative than Christie/McConnell is so long it's not even funny.

Also, keep in mind that McConnell is the ONLY republican running for majority leader. Which means that unless Collins wants to run herself, she has to vote for McConnell, or else she's going to be voting for a staunchly partisan democrat to lead the senate (yes, Harry Reid, you're staunchly partisan, and that's the truth) .

Also, quit being a single issue voter. Look at Collins's, Baker's, Kasich's, Portman's, Kirk's entire platform. Despite who they support for majority leader of the senate, they are all legitimate moderate republicans who despise the tea party, actively work with democrats (it is Reid who is stopping progress, not Collins/Murkowski/etc.), and don't support tea party ideals. Enough said.
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« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2014, 03:14:54 AM »

The fact that anyone in this thread thinks that Obama could beat anyone in a statewide election in Louisiana is hilarious.

Nancy Pelosi.
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« Reply #45 on: December 08, 2014, 08:12:19 AM »

I think Duke would win in a landslide, winning a solid majority of whites.
Do you realize how racist this sounds?

Do you realize how stupid you sound?
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« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2014, 12:38:27 PM »

Duke would win.
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« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2014, 09:25:22 PM »


Obama would win by 10%+.
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« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2014, 07:29:27 PM »


Insanity.
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« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2014, 09:14:07 PM »


Great retort.
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