Question for the Capitalists

[Murica!]

So?

And by the way by property I mean a Factory or something like that,NOT your home.

[Goldwater]

Option 1, because it would collapse very quickly.

[Murica!]

Option 1, because it would collapse very quickly.

I really want to argue with you about that but I won't.

[Goldwater]

Option 1, because it would collapse very quickly.

I really want to argue with you about that but I won't.

If it makes any difference, I have the same opinion of Anarcho-Capitalism.

[Murica!]

Option 1, because it would collapse very quickly.

I really want to argue with you about that but I won't.

If it makes any difference, I have the same opinion of Anarcho-Capitalism.

I don't consider that to be anarchism.

[Goldwater]

Option 1, because it would collapse very quickly.

I really want to argue with you about that but I won't.

If it makes any difference, I have the same opinion of Anarcho-Capitalism.

I don't consider that to be anarchism.

Yeah, I'm not surprised. Most people on the left seem to be convinced it's not "real" anarchy. In any case, the distinction between "real" and "fake" anarchy really only matters if you consider yourself a supporter of anarchy, which I don't.

[Murica!]

Option 1, because it would collapse very quickly.

I really want to argue with you about that but I won't.

If it makes any difference, I have the same opinion of Anarcho-Capitalism.

I don't consider that to be anarchism.

Yeah, I'm not surprised. Most people on the left seem to be convinced it's not "real" anarchy. In any case, the distinction between "real" and "fake" anarchy really only matters if you consider yourself a supporter of anarchy, which I don't.

Yeah, but I have different reasons.

[Deus Naturae]

Depends what you mean by "totalitarian government." Option 1 basically amounts to primitivism (some form of property rights is necessary to incentivize production (including basic agriculture) or alternatively you can have the State force people to produce things, but without either you aren't going to get anywhere in terms of production) which would be horrible, but I would still rather live in a primitive commune than, say, North Korea. On the other hand, life in many modern dictatorships would be preferable to primitive anarcho-collectivism.

[Murica!]

Depends what you mean by "totalitarian government." Option 1 basically amounts to primitivism (some form of property rights is necessary for successful agriculture) which would be horrible, but I would still rather live in a primitive commune than, say, North Korea. On the other hand, life in many modern dictatorships would be preferable to primitive anarcho-collectivism.

Why do you come to the conclusion that it's primitive?
And by totalitarian I mean Pinochet's Chile.

[Deus Naturae]

Why do you come to the conclusion that it's primitive?

Because production would be impossible. Why would a farmer grow crops he was no control over?

[Murica!]

Why do you come to the conclusion that it's primitive?

Because production would be impossible. Why would a farmer grow crops he was no control over?

Well farmers would combine together and share tools but have there own land, similar to England before the forced takeover by nobles.

[TNF]

Option 1, because liquidating the anarchists and implementing a more rational form of socialism would be easier.

This is sarcasm. Kind of.

[Murica!]

Option 1, because liquidating the anarchists and implementing rational socialism would be easier.

You counter-revolutionary bastard(wait can I say that?)

[Deus Naturae]

Why do you come to the conclusion that it's primitive?

Because production would be impossible. Why would a farmer grow crops he was no control over?

Well farmers would combine together and share tools but have there own land, similar to England before the forced takeover by nobles.

Sounds like private property to me.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

infantile leftists gtfo

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

This thread is hilarious.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

This'd be better for Indy Pol

[Murica!]

infantile leftists gtfo

Stop quoting Lenin please.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Option 2, although I hate both anarchy and totalitarianism.

[Redalgo]

I'll take the anarchy since governments can still exist with it so long as they are not states proper. It would be much nicer though to have middle ground - e.g. there are property rights with the form of socialism I have in mind even though there would be no private property. Whether or not I am also a capitalist hinges on how one chooses to define capitalism.

[Murica!]

I'll take the anarchy since governments can still exist with it so long as they are not states proper. It would be much nicer though to have middle ground - e.g. there are property rights with the form of socialism I have in mind even though there would be no private property. Whether or not I am also a capitalist hinges on how one chooses to define capitalism.

Capitalism is when the means of production are in private(and in my opinion also state)hands and have hierarchical structure.

[Murica!]

This'd be better for Indy Pol

What do you mean by "Indy Pol"?

[Arturo Belano]

This'd be better for Indy Pol

What do you mean by "Indy Pol"?

The Individual Politics board.

[Murica!]

This'd be better for Indy Pol

What do you mean by "Indy Pol"?

The Individual Politics board.

We're on it.

[Redalgo]

Capitalism is when the means of production are in private(and in my opinion also state)hands and have hierarchical structure.

In which case it does not apply - though I do find that some folk on the left take issue with me endorsing for-profit economic activity, interclass collaboration, market-driven competition, some deregulation, right to work laws, and toleration of some form of class hierarchy in lieu of being able to create a society where the exchange of all forms of capital (not just economic) are controlled enough to prevent non-meritocratic patterns of privilege and deprivation from developing. At least in my experience, Marxist-Leninists tend to perceive my position as capitalist. But then again, I guess they throw that label around a lot. xD