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« on: December 11, 2014, 11:20:48 PM »

I'm gonna have to vote Option Two, although I'm undecided over whether I would have voted for it if I was a representative.
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2014, 11:24:33 PM »

Option 3.

I wouldn't have agreed to cutting grants or rolling back Dodd-Frank (I'm also not happy about the cuts to housing assistance & pensions and blocking Marijuana in D.C.) . But at the end of the day, this is better than another shutdown.
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2014, 02:26:43 AM »

Worse than a shutdown, and possibly a more egregious and shameful case of Democratic appeasement of the Republican Party than Romneycare.
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2014, 02:47:38 AM »

Option 3. Elections are like court decisions: You argue the best you can to influence the result, but once the decision comes down you act accordingly. Both democracy and courts are a form of compromise, wherein we disagree on the end results but we all agree on the right procedure and the right rules.

Now 53 percent of Americans want Republicans driving the agenda, according to Gallup, versus just 36 who want Obama driving it. His approval rating is in the low 40s. Voters have just handed the GOP their biggest majorities since WWII. This is not the time for Democrats to my-way-or-the-highway it. (If that routine worked, the tea party would have triumphed. It did not.) The voters can and should have craptacular Republican policies if they want them. I predict more similar bills coming next year. So yes, the substance of the bill sucks, but this is how democracy works.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2014, 02:57:10 AM »

Trash, much like the Congress that approved it.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2014, 03:07:39 AM »

The single worst piece of legislation of the year.  A shutdown would be greatly preferable to this piece of trash.

Unfortunately, this is America, where terrible legislation consistently passes.
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2014, 03:16:36 AM »

Option 3. Elections are like court decisions: You argue the best you can to influence the result, but once the decision comes down you act accordingly. Both democracy and courts are a form of compromise, wherein we disagree on the end results but we all agree on the right procedure and the right rules.

Now 53 percent of Americans want Republicans driving the agenda, according to Gallup, versus just 36 who want Obama driving it. His approval rating is in the low 40s. Voters have just handed the GOP their biggest majorities since WWII. This is not the time for Democrats to my-way-or-the-highway it. (If that routine worked, the tea party would have triumphed. It did not.) The voters can and should have craptacular Republican policies if they want them. I predict more similar bills coming next year. So yes, the substance of the bill sucks, but this is how democracy works.

If I were a democratic congressman, why on earth should I vote for something that goes against everything that me (and my constituents) stand for just to get a shutdown resolved quickly?  The GOP was able to win big this year partly because they did not do this, but instead stood behind their positions and gave voters a clear agenda, while also showing their base that they stood behind them. If the democratic party grew a spine and put an end to these continuing giveaways to the GOP, maybe their base would have turned out for them in November.

I'm sorry, but if I'm going to be in the minority regardless, I'd much rather vote for what I believe in than be a pushover who gives my opposition everything they want.
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2014, 03:36:03 AM »

Every "Democrat" who voted for it needs to be primaried. Period. And Obama needs to be thrown under the bus if he doesn't veto.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2014, 07:49:20 AM »

I understand why the people voting for it want to prevent a shutdown. But the Dodd-Frank gutting provisions and the campaign finance provisions make me mad on a level past being mad about the actual policies. This should not be the way business is done. This is a bill to keep the lights on, not a campaign finance bill. This is a bill to keep the lights on, not to gut financial reform. If these people think those things are good ideas, then they deserve to be debated, not shoved into something like this and passed without almost any debate.

That's not to say I oppose horse trading. But this doesn't seem like that.
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2014, 07:56:56 AM »

I'd vote against it, but I'm glad it has passed the House for political reasons.
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2014, 07:58:28 AM »

I'd vote against it, but I'm glad it has passed the House for political reasons.

Would you have been the deciding vote against it, if it came to that?
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2014, 12:39:28 PM »
« Edited: December 13, 2014, 12:44:02 PM by IDS Emperor Maxwell »

I'd vote no. The type of bill stuffing here is so hypocritical when the Republicans chastised Democrats for stuffing Food Stamps onto Farm Subsidies (which, you know, I thank Tom Cotton for being honest and voting against both).
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2014, 12:41:34 PM »

I'd vote against it, but I'm glad it has passed the House for political reasons.

Would you have been the deciding vote against it, if it came to that?
Yes. I'd be an insignifigant factor in that situation judging by the amount of Democratic no votes, but the GOP gains more if the Democrats force a shutdown over this.

McConnell is putting people's money where there mouths are. I am glad the bill cleared the House and now will clear (or fail) in the Senate so we can blame certain elements in both chambers for a shutdown. Kind of like Mao and the Hundred Flowers campaign.

And by the way, from a moral point of view, stuffing the bill like that was disgusting and I am not proud of what my party has done. But I also am impressed, if that makes sense?
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2014, 08:57:48 PM »

Against. Why?

1.) The GOP gave more money to the DOJ than it needed.
2.) Funding a  Harriett Tubman Museum in New York City
3.) Funding a Women's Museum in Washington DC
4.) The Government is buying Tesla's?

2 and 3 are not not needed and the Government does not need t be buying 100,000 dollar Tesla's. Why is the GOP House giving the DOJ more money than Obama requested for the agency?
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2014, 09:05:26 PM »

Against. Why?

1.) The GOP gave more money to the DOJ than it needed.
2.) Funding a  Harriett Tubman Museum in New York City
3.) Funding a Women's Museum in Washington DC
4.) The Government is buying Tesla's?

2 and 3 are not not needed and the Government does not need t be buying 100,000 dollar Tesla's. Why is the GOP House giving the DOJ more money than Obama requested for the agency?

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Anyways awful bill, kudos to Pelosi and Warren for standing up to it.
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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2014, 04:27:57 AM »

Terrible
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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2014, 09:35:40 AM »

It's got all sorts of random awful stuff in it, but that's true of every major spending bill. 
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2014, 02:08:23 PM »

Absolutely horrible, and pathetic "negotiating" by the Democrats who helped craft this.
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