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« on: December 12, 2014, 04:41:32 AM »

The following Wikipedia map shows that the governors of Indiana and Oregon eligible 8 out of 12 years, and the governors of Montana and Wyoming are eligible 8 out of 16 years.

Honestly, I don't quite understand what that means.

Does it mean that the governor of Indiana can hold this office for a total of 12 years, but not in three consecutive terms? (Thus he'd have to pause for one term after eight years.)

Or does it mean that he can be governor as long as he (and the Hoosiers) wants, but he'd have to pause for one term after eight years and after that he'll be able to govern for eight years again?

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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2014, 04:53:03 AM »

The following Wikipedia map shows that the governors of Indiana and Oregon eligible 8 out of 12 years, and the governors of Montana and Wyoming are eligible 8 out of 16 years.

Honestly, I don't quite understand what that means.

Does it mean that the governor of Indiana can hold this office for a total of 12 years, but not in three consecutive terms? (Thus he'd have to pause for one term after eight years.)

Or does it mean that he can be governor as long as he (and the Hoosiers) wants, but he'd have to pause for one term after eight years and after that he'll be able to govern for eight years again?



I think it means the second one.
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2014, 07:00:03 PM »


Okay, I thought it was the first one, but I trust you more than myself. Smiley

But what does it mean for Wyoming and Montana?
These two successions should be correct for those two states, shouldn't they?

2000
2004
2008 x
2012 x
2016
2020
2024 x
2030 x

x

x

x

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Hence, Virginia style would be possible for WY/MT, wouldn't it?
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2014, 07:12:20 PM »

Term limits are asinine.
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2014, 03:55:27 AM »


Come to think about it, I assume that option one is true because ...

What is the difference between "two terms; re-eligible after 4 years" and "two terms; eligible 8 out of 12 years". If option two is correct, then both aforesaid variants must be the same, I think.

But I'm still not sure.

I thought here were so many users that know about constitutions and/or Boolean logic.
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2014, 09:21:36 AM »
« Edited: December 13, 2014, 09:25:45 AM by True Federalist »

What is the difference between "two terms; re-eligible after 4 years" and "two terms; eligible 8 out of 12 years". If option two is correct, then both aforesaid variants must be the same, I think.

The difference probably is if you are a lieutenant governor who succeeds to the governor's office.  Under the former, you can run for two additional terms before taking a break, while in the latter you can only run once, because running twice would put you over the 8 out 12 year limit.  Note that some states that go by the term limit rather than the year limit definition specify that a partial term of sufficient length counts as a full term.
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2014, 04:37:44 AM »

What is the difference between "two terms; re-eligible after 4 years" and "two terms; eligible 8 out of 12 years". If option two is correct, then both aforesaid variants must be the same, I think.

The difference probably is if you are a lieutenant governor who succeeds to the governor's office.  Under the former, you can run for two additional terms before taking a break, while in the latter you can only run once, because running twice would put you over the 8 out 12 year limit.  Note that some states that go by the term limit rather than the year limit definition specify that a partial term of sufficient length counts as a full term.

Honestly, I didn't understand what you wrote.

Which of the two options in my opening post do you think/know is correct?
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2014, 02:06:41 AM »

What is the difference between "two terms; re-eligible after 4 years" and "two terms; eligible 8 out of 12 years". If option two is correct, then both aforesaid variants must be the same, I think.

The difference probably is if you are a lieutenant governor who succeeds to the governor's office.  Under the former, you can run for two additional terms before taking a break, while in the latter you can only run once, because running twice would put you over the 8 out 12 year limit.  Note that some states that go by the term limit rather than the year limit definition specify that a partial term of sufficient length counts as a full term.

Honestly, I didn't understand what you wrote.

Which of the two options in my opening post do you think/know is correct?

Option two.   There is no difference at all between 8 years out of 12 years and 2 terms out of 3 for people who come to the office of governor by being elected governor.  The difference between the two is that if you succeed a Governor who left office for whatever reason and serve part of a term,  then with the first you could only seek reelection once, while if the limit is 2 terms of your own, you can seek reelection twice before having to take a pause.  (The complication is that in some states, serving a partial term might count the same as a full term.)
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