December 2014 At-Large Senate Election: Winner/Loser (user search)
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  December 2014 At-Large Senate Election: Winner/Loser (search mode)
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Question: What party was the winner/loser of the senate election
#1
Labor/Federalist
 
#2
Labor/TPP
 
#3
Federalist/Labor
 
#4
Federalist/TPP
 
#5
TPP/Labor
 
#6
TPP/Federalist
 
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Partisan results

Total Voters: 38

Author Topic: December 2014 At-Large Senate Election: Winner/Loser  (Read 9262 times)
Adam Griffin
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E: -7.35, S: -6.26

« on: December 16, 2014, 11:28:33 PM »
« edited: December 16, 2014, 11:34:47 PM by Lowly Griff »

What's all this rubbish about TPP being a "left-wing" party?

As I said, if you have to characterize TPP, it's more of a leftist party than a right wing party.

It's a centrist party. Easy as that.

Actually...

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Adam Griffin
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Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -6.26

« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2014, 11:31:06 PM »

Also, I'm flattered at all the commentary about my "turnout machine" and perceived involvement, but it's really just not the case. While I did contact a few close friends to vote who I thought might not otherwise do so and did try to run the numbers on the final day to see where things were, the real heavy-lifting was done by several others. Perhaps it'd be fair to say that the machine I built in the past was and is still well-oiled and operational, but it takes the work of others now to keep it that way.
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Adam Griffin
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Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -6.26

« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2014, 11:34:35 PM »

I think you have my S score and my E score mixed up, but huh. Interesting.

That I do - fixed.
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Adam Griffin
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E: -7.35, S: -6.26

« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2014, 01:26:27 AM »
« Edited: December 28, 2014, 01:36:26 AM by Lowly Griff »

I think the Feds and D-R's are different parties for a reason, because a general "right-wing" party doesn't really work. There will always be that split. That being said, I believe the right person can unite both of those parties in a Presidential election, a fiscal conservative who doesn't offend socons or libertarian types (aka someone who is silent on those marriage issues while at the same time pro-gay marriage and maybe pro choice). There are few like that, but someone exists, for sure.

See: June 2013. And before anyone says "well sirnick wasn't a right-winger" or "dallasfan is disliked by a key contingent on the right" or "they both supported legalized pornography for kids and incest", remember that this was the ticket that the bulk of the right did prematurely decide to rally around, as well as forgoing their own attempt at running a ticket. Windjammer had a field day with that decision - no wonder sirnick is still so bitter about things! Of course, this decision by the Right was likely made due to the same dynamic as many others: just to try to stick it to Labor. Unfortunately for them and as I've always said, making the game about that dynamic usually rewards the Left and hurts the Right in the long-run.



Though it'd help if the Right would actually run someone who fits the mold of what you describe. Between Duke, Sirnick and Lumine, it's no wonder that the broader group can't stick together. If anything, it seems like the "Right" in recent elections has pandered more to the libertarian elements (if only based on those three choices listed prior), and has taken the socon element for granted. I think it's hilarious that in this game, the DLC-types and the communists can stick together more so than the libertarians and the socons; the opposite of the real world (thought this isn't always true, as a lot of the fake leftists have sided with ridiculous right-wing candidates in the past if only to spite Labor). It also wasn't necessarily true when I arrived or during the Lib-Lab struggle of 2013.

The Right is bitter about years upon years of losing, and has failed to embrace the fact that we've been in a post-JCP dynamic for going on three years now. As such, they seem to keep buying into the premise of running candidates that aren't effectively loyal to their core constituents, and in the process, create new divisions that otherwise shouldn't be there. By trying to sell-out and create a pathway to victory, they create as many net losses for themselves as they have patched up. Sometimes, you just have to say "fyck all" to the folks who are causing trouble; in a lot of cases, they ultimately fall into line when shunned, anyway.

The left-right-center dynamic in terms of registration seems to be at or near record-highs in terms of the percentage of people who are right-wingers in the game ("Left" outnumbers "Right" by 10 voters, with 25 or so real "Centrist" voters). A victory for the Right involves holding their base and winning 70% or so of the centrists, which isn't so difficult-sounding when you consider the electoral situations they've been in in the past. As I've said for the longest, however, I'm fully confident that the Right will just continue to play the victim card and keep on losing, though.
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