December 2014 At-Large Senate Election: Winner/Loser

[windjammer]

Oakvale and Adam Griffin/Windjammer = wizard kings of electoral math

[windjammer]

No one won.
DRs because they blew a seat because of a total absence of party infrastructure.
Federalist lost because of failing to turn their voters.
TPP lost because they believed it was an easy win, I recall oakvale telling me I was an idiot to think labors could get 2 seats and that we should focuse only on swe. If rightwing turnout was a little higher, they would have lost.
And finally Labor lost because one of their candidates didn't campaign at all even if he was in the race for at least 2 MONTHS! Labor winning 2 seats was a miracle.

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Well, This is a lesson I have learnt after having watched an episode of Xena the Warrior 10 years ago: in order to fight gods, you have to recruit a god. Both you and polnut are extremely well appreciated on this  forum for obviously well reasons and the only way to fight that was to recruit a God: Llief the wonderful, someone who is deeply beloved on this forum too.
I had noticed he was more and more active in the atlas fantasy board these recent days, so he wasn't difficult at all to recruit.
Lief is again a wonderful guy and him being a member of my party is obviously a splendid new.

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Believe it or not, but I wasn't extremely involved during this campaign. I really started to focus 2 days before the deadline by recruiting Lief. And then after, Ii had just sent few messages to make sure Lief got the independent vote. This was really the last day I started to be actively campaigning.  Because, me too I was busy .

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With some thought,
The current biggest problem for the right isn't because this forum is full of leftists, there are many "moderate" democrats who has a moderate economic score who could be attracted by a center-rightwinger, Cris, who would have defeated Bacon King if Riley or Chairmansanchez would have voted for him, just shows the right can win with some "infrastructure", even against the most popular leftists.

I believe they have currently 2 big problems:
- obviously the lack of "party" infrastructure
- and the other is the total lack of "unity" among the right. DRs and Feds seem to fight much more each other than with the leftwing parties (TPP and Labor). Unity among them is much more difficult between Feds and DR because obviously, socons like TJ and pro incest pro polygamy libertarians like Deus obviously don't get along, but I believe there is actually no effort of unity between the 2 factions. Some people would manage to appeal to both these factions. The right will never win unless the left would have totally been a disaster before (that explains the lumine victory) or unless they manage to unite the socons, the libertarians and the moderates.

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The issue Windjammer is touching on is another major reason why the Right has problems outside the fact that the main right-wing party is a literal joke - organising libertarians is like herding cats. You could be comfortably winning an election with the generic Right candidate and then a bunch of the libertarians will go off en masse and vote for Poirot or something. You can see this clearly in the Mideast Senate race, when the libertarians refused (er, understandably enough but you know) to vote for Cassius, meaning that Windjammer would have won even without his zombie armada. That says shocking things about the state of the right.

(Oh, and I'd vote for Hagrid too, if he ever came back. RIP, FF. )

Oh and oakvale, I would have never tried to make this region a Labor region if the great member of your party, Simfan, didn't have moved so many rightwingers from the Midwest and the Mideast to the Pacific.
I know everyone knows that Simfan not only made TNF safe, he as well created an opportunity for the left to win in the most socially conservative region. I would have never tried to turn this region if Keaton, Zuwo, enderman and some others hadn't moved.

I cannot thank him enough, especially at the same time you wanted absolutely Labor to collapse, finally they gained a seat .

[windjammer]

TPP and Labor won, the Federalists and the D-Rs clearly lost.

In my view the two right-of-center parties are obviously disorganized. The Federalist Party is a mere one-man show. If no one else besides Yankee is willing to lift a finger the party won't be able to survive in the long run.
The level of disorganization among the D-Rs appears even worse but I'm not sure that party ever had a clear power structure in the first place.

That's probably because the D-Rs have less than a quarter of the membership of the Federalist Party...

The TPP is also quite a small party but yet they managed to get two people elected by running their best guys (that wasn't always the case, see the most recent NE Senate election) and due to excellent GOTV efforts.
I may be wrong, but the fact that no one ran to replace Deus until the announcement of two last-minute write-in-campaigns gave off the impression of a party in disarray. It's an uphill battle to win an at-large Senate seat for a small party like yours but I believe it could have been possible considering the bench of qualified candidates you have to offer.

And I almost forgot,
The last NE senate race was indeed hilarious. Oakvale basically recruited a joke candidate whereas it was definitely for them, a candidate who basically imploded during the campaign after having been expelled from the NE assembly, forcing him to sink his campaign at the end of the campaign, you know, the last TPP voter voting for bore .

[windjammer]

The issue Windjammer is touching on is another major reason why the Right has problems outside the fact that the main right-wing party is a literal joke - organising libertarians is like herding cats. You could be comfortably winning an election with the generic Right candidate and then a bunch of the libertarians will go off en masse and vote for Poirot or something. You can see this clearly in the Mideast Senate race, when the libertarians refused (er, understandably enough but you know) to vote for Cassius, meaning that Windjammer would have won even without his zombie armada. That says shocking things about the state of the right.

(Oh, and I'd vote for Hagrid too, if he ever came back. RIP, FF. )

Oh and oakvale, I would have never tried to make this region a Labor region if the great member of your party, Simfan, didn't have moved so many rightwingers from the Midwest and the Mideast to the Pacific.
I know everyone knows that Simfan not only made TNF safe, he as well created an opportunity for the left to win in the most socially conservative region. I would have never tried to turn this region if Keaton, Zuwo, enderman and some others hadn't moved.

I cannot thank him enough, especially at the same time you wanted absolutely Labor to collapse, finally they gained a seat .

I can't speak for the other guys you mentioned but Simfan had nothing to do with my decision to move to the Pacific. Ever since I became an independent I have been completely out of the loop regarding party politics, partisan schemes and ploys and I enjoy that a lot.
I moved to the Pacific simply because it's fun to try something new every once in a while.

Oooops, so not you. But I know he moved some people here, making TNF safe and the Mideast competitive .

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The fact is libertarians are not going to just follow the right-wing orthodoxy and nor should they.

Dude,
When you were all in the federalist party: you managed to have: an almost successful libertarian ticket, a Mideast Senator (Spiral), at large senators (Matt, Goldwater, Maxwell, and tmthforu in some extent), candidates for the NE senate race (Matt) etc etc.
Now, after the split, what do you have? N-O-T-H-I-N-G


You speak like if the fed party was the atlasian version of the republican party. That's not the case, even the socons (DC, JCL) are quite libertarian.

[windjammer]

The fact is libertarians are not going to just follow the right-wing orthodoxy and nor should they.

Dude,
When you were all in the federalist party: you managed to have: an almost successful libertarian ticket, a Mideast Senator (Spiral), at large senators (Matt, Goldwater, Maxwell, and tmthforu in some extent), candidates for the NE senate race (Matt) etc etc.
Now, after the split, what do you have? N-O-T-H-I-N-G


You speak like if the fed party was the atlasian version of the republican party. That's not the case, even the socons (DC, JCL) are quite libertarian.

And that was an awful period of time, and ended up destroying the Federalist Party as we knew it then. That coalition of votes wasn't going to last whether i had continued at the helm or not.

And the Federalist Party isn't like the Republican Party now. Quite the opposite - It doesn't really stand for anything. I saw one of the people in the party creating a "Main Street Project" and my thoughts were really "Besides JCL, who really is a conservative that needs distancing from?". The game is much more fun with hard ideological components, and I think the game is better with a right wing that CAN come together but doesn't necessarily HAVE to.

How can you describe that as "awful"?

[windjammer]

The fact is libertarians are not going to just follow the right-wing orthodoxy and nor should they.

Dude,
When you were all in the federalist party: you managed to have: an almost successful libertarian ticket, a Mideast Senator (Spiral), at large senators (Matt, Goldwater, Maxwell, and tmthforu in some extent), candidates for the NE senate race (Matt) etc etc.
Now, after the split, what do you have? N-O-T-H-I-N-G


You speak like if the fed party was the atlasian version of the republican party. That's not the case, even the socons (DC, JCL) are quite libertarian.

And that was an awful period of time, and ended up destroying the Federalist Party as we knew it then. That coalition of votes wasn't going to last whether i had continued at the helm or not.

And the Federalist Party isn't like the Republican Party now. Quite the opposite - It doesn't really stand for anything. I saw one of the people in the party creating a "Main Street Project" and my thoughts were really "Besides JCL, who really is a conservative that needs distancing from?". The game is much more fun with hard ideological components, and I think the game is better with a right wing that CAN come together but doesn't necessarily HAVE to.

How can you describe that as "awful"?

Well, I mean, the Matt/Maxwell ticket was a massive success, no doubt, but the Party we ran didn't really get anything accomplished despite electoral success.

I wouldn't say that was your fault, or the fault of the fed party. Labor did have 6 seats during this period, that would be like blaming lumine for not signing conservative bills, he doesn't have a majority, so he can't do nothing.