Would Warren being a Reagan-Bush voter hurt her among Democrats?
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All Along The Watchtower
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« on: December 15, 2014, 08:38:13 PM »
« edited: December 15, 2014, 08:43:02 PM by They call me PR »

Or would Democratic voters (particularly constituencies like black Americans, LGBT Americans, the poor, union voters, and others who were harmed by Reagan and Bush's policies-along with older generations of  liberals and Democrats in general who remember the Reagan-Bush years)  be willing to "forgive and forget" this?

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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2014, 08:44:22 PM »

No difference because she's going to lose anyway against the best GOP candidate.
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2014, 08:44:59 PM »

Marginally.
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2014, 08:45:21 PM »

No difference because she's going to lose anyway against the best GOP candidate.

She may not even make it past the primary.
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2014, 08:48:04 PM »

No difference because she's going to lose anyway against the best GOP candidate.

She may not even make it past the primary.


She made it clear a lot of times that she wasn't going to run. If she wants to run then she should try if Hillary declines to run in 2016 due to Obama's poor approval ratings. And in 2020 even though its likely she'll lose anyway.
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2014, 08:48:50 PM »

No. This won't even come up during the campaign.
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2014, 08:53:42 PM »

No she won't even run
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2014, 09:04:56 PM »

Michele Bachman voted for carter....
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2014, 09:17:48 PM »

No. This won't even come up during the campaign.

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This -why would Hillary want to open this can of worms considering her own well-known history as a former Republican Goldwater girl? 
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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2014, 09:20:31 PM »

No. This won't even come up during the campaign.

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This -why would Hillary want to open this can of worms considering her own well-known history as a former Republican Goldwater girl? 


meh i really don't see this as bad as the iraq war vote. Considering doing a Zell Miller/Charlie Crist type speech that "I changed my party because they went too far to the X" probably will give them a ton of applause.


However given that Goldwater is not a recognizable towards the public anymore compared to Reagan it could be more heartbreaking for the base compared to saying they supported goldwater.
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2014, 09:20:45 PM »

There's a difference between being a Republican in the mid-1960s as a teenager and being one in the mid-1990s as a middle aged woman
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2014, 09:23:52 PM »

There's a difference between being a Republican in the mid-1960s as a teenager and being one in the mid-1990s as a middle aged woman

Exactly.
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2014, 09:50:06 PM »

I'm no fan of warren, but are there seriously people who would vote against her for this?   I really doubt it would be enough people to even marginally shift the vote.
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2014, 09:54:41 PM »

It probably won't hurt.

Hillary's moved to the left from Bill Clinton's position as Governor of Arkansas, so it would be tough for her to make an ideological purity argument.

Warren's convictions seem genuine, so it isn't a matter of flip-flopping.

It could help Warren with electability arguments. Who better to convert swing voters than someone who voted for Republicans?

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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2014, 09:57:17 PM »

It probably won't hurt.

Hillary's moved to the left from Bill Clinton's position as Governor of Arkansas, so it would be tough for her to make an ideological purity argument.

Warren's convictions seem genuine, so it isn't a matter of flip-flopping.

It could help Warren with electability arguments. Who better to convert swing voters than someone who voted for Republicans?




If it didn't work for Crist and it didn't work for Specter, it's probably not going to work for Warren.

Both parties, the voters see party switching as literally crossing over from the allies into the nazi party.
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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2014, 10:16:05 PM »

No. This won't even come up during the campaign.

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This -why would Hillary want to open this can of worms considering her own well-known history as a former Republican Goldwater girl? 
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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2014, 10:25:49 PM »

literally no one who isn't on this forum would care
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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2014, 10:28:55 PM »

literally no one who isn't on this forum would care
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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2014, 10:48:35 PM »

Warren vs. Perry would be funny because Perry was a Democrat who supported Al Gore for President and HillaryCare.
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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2014, 10:52:34 PM »

Warren isn't going to run against Clinton. This would be a thing in a non-Hillary race; I can see Joe Biden arguing he's the "real" Democrat, and was "fighting" Reagan/Bush while Warren was voting for them. I realize many on this board weren't even born by the mid-Nineties, but it's not that long ago for many who participate in the primaries. Would it decide the race? Of course not, but it would obviously come up, as Romney's voting record came up last cycle.
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2014, 11:38:30 PM »

When was the last time she voted Republican? The 1980s probably?

Guess what, I was for Reagan too once. Everyone makes mistakes.
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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2014, 12:42:34 AM »

Keep in mind while this might matter marginally in the primary, it won't matter at all in the general. Reagan is still viewed as being among the top-tier of recent american presidents:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/poll-obama-worst-president-since-wwii-108507.html

Also, Warren was hardly the only democrat to vote for Reagan. In 1984, he got 26% of the democratic vote:

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_84.html

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Also, with the "didn't work for Crist" argument, keep in mind that Scott only survived due to the enormous republican wave. Crist would have won in a small rep wave.
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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2014, 01:36:51 AM »


This.

It's irrelevant anyway since Warren isn't going to run.
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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2014, 05:41:30 AM »


More than that, she actively campaigned for him.
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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2014, 11:51:21 AM »

So? Hillary Clinton supported Barry Goldwater.
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