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« on: December 16, 2014, 06:19:46 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2014, 10:22:12 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2014, 10:22:43 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2014, 01:54:32 PM »

Well, first of all, I apologize for the delay, I spent too many days trying to determine the extent of the deficit and new expenditures of Atlasia, and in the end it was evident that I was not going to be able to get the actual sums. As a result, I have sent this incomplete proposal so I can work with the Senate in order to get a budget passed.

In terms of spending it has become way too evident that we engaged on a massive spending spree through 2014 without caring for the consequences, and that puts us at a major problem when it comes to this budget, because we have literally no idea of the spending involved in the Duke-Scott education bill and whether the new Healthcare system will reduce costs (although I hope it will), not to mention all the other spending projects.

It was a campaign pledge of mine to raise military spending and I have done so in a measured way (which means that I have no intention of signing a budget without a significant increase here), something that I also did with international affairs and with the NASA budget (which is ridiculously low when compared to OTL United States), and to compensate for those raises I propose minor spending cuts in all substantial areas in the order of $1-2 B, which will enable us to reduce a potential deficit without causing major harm to most areas of spending.

Needless to say, I consider TNF's amendment unworkable and hostile.
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2014, 06:19:13 PM »

I will oppose any increase in military spending and will make delay any attempt to do so insofar as possible, by any means necessary.
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2014, 06:22:41 PM »
« Edited: December 16, 2014, 06:46:22 PM by President LumineVonReuental »

I will oppose any increase in military spending and will make delay any attempt to do so insofar as possible, by any means necessary.

Well, then we might as well throw away any remnant of realism from the game. It's ridiculous to pretend we can carry on with the current levels, much less slash them again in half as if having a military was pointless and unnecessary.
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2014, 06:26:46 PM »

Senator TNF? Really? No chance I'm supporting that amendment.
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2014, 06:52:11 PM »

I'm going to interpret Polnut as objecting to TNF's amendment, so senators a vote is now open on TNF's amendment, please vote aye nay or abstain
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2014, 07:08:49 PM »

I'm going to interpret Polnut as objecting to TNF's amendment, so senators a vote is now open on TNF's amendment, please vote aye nay or abstain

I should say, as President I oversaw a reduction in overall military spending. So that's not my concern. My concern is the tax structure. Thinking you can finance the Federal Government by only taxing the wealthy isn't realistic and is not a panacea to all economic ills.

I believe in fair and progressive income taxation - this is not progressive or especially practical. Tax evasion and income/asset shifting would become a growth industry in Atlasia. Didn't think Senator TNF would be supporting increasing the incomes of accountants and tax attorneys.

I said we need to re-examine our tax policy, but this isn't workable or realistic. I'm happy to look at other options for tax reform.
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2014, 07:15:04 PM »

I'm going to interpret Polnut as objecting to TNF's amendment, so senators a vote is now open on TNF's amendment, please vote aye nay or abstain

I should say, as President I oversaw a reduction in overall military spending. So that's not my concern. My concern is the tax structure. Thinking you can finance the Federal Government by only taxing the wealthy isn't realistic and is not a panacea to all economic ills.

I believe in fair and progressive income taxation - this is not progressive or especially practical. Tax evasion and income/asset shifting would become a growth industry in Atlasia. Didn't think Senator TNF would be supporting increasing the incomes of accountants and tax attorneys.

I said we need to re-examine our tax policy, but this isn't workable or realistic. I'm happy to look at other options for tax reform.

I don't disagree with you, I just wanted to open a vote as soon as possible (i.e. before I go to bed) to save time.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2014, 02:43:58 AM »

Nay I guess


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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2014, 09:03:59 AM »

Aye

I won't rest until the standing army is history.
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2014, 09:05:20 AM »

Nay
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2014, 12:45:31 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2014, 03:06:53 PM »

Nay
These tax rates are, well...
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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2014, 05:22:21 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2014, 05:26:57 PM »
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I reference you to this -

The Let's Really Eliminate Farm Subsidies Act
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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2014, 06:30:37 PM »

The amendment has enough votes to fail, senators have 24 hours to change their votes
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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2014, 07:11:07 PM »

Nay. The military cuts are bad enough, the income tax structure is a total non-starter.
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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2014, 04:16:36 PM »

Aye: TNF

Nay: Bore, Yankee, Polnut, JCL, Cranberry, windjammer

Not voting: Bacon King, Deus

By a vote of 6-1 the amendment has failed
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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2014, 07:06:01 PM »

I cannot do anything until I can see what the White House is proposing. If we are going down completely different paths, while some clearly wish to delay for their own sake, I don't want to delay this process based on not actually having a discussion first.
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« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2014, 04:21:30 AM »

I echo a Senator Polnut's comments, and would like to see the White House's proposal at first.
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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2014, 10:31:15 AM »

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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2014, 08:35:46 PM »

Working on it right now, and I'll have a proposal soon enough! (I manged to get an estimate for the Duke-Scott bill, I am going through Health Care costs now)
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« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2014, 01:51:31 PM »


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