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« on: December 16, 2014, 02:45:33 PM »

With Romney:

21% Romney
10% Bush
  9% Paul
  8% Ryan
  7% Carson
  6% Christie
  6% Cruz
  6% Huckabee
  5% Walker
  4% Perry
  4% Rubio
  3% Santorum
  2% Jindal
  2% Kasich
  2% None of these
  6% Undecided

Without Romney:

14% Bush
11% Ryan
10% Paul
  8% Carson
  8% Cruz
  7% Christie
  7% Huckabee
  7% Rubio
  7% Walker
  5% Perry
  3% Santorum
  3% Jindal
  2% Kasich
  2% None of these
  6% Undecided

METHODOLOGY – This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone Dec. 11-14, 2014, in English and Spanish, among a random national sample of 410 Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who are registered to vote, including landline and cell-phone-only respondents. Results have a margin of sampling error of 5.5 points, including design effect.

http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1165a22016GOPPreferences.pdf
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2014, 05:31:27 PM »

It's a little strange but the numbers on the WaPo site are slightly different. Some have one or more less, changing the order

Mitt Romney 20
Jeb Bush 10
Rand Paul 9
Paul Ryan 8
Ted Cruz 7
Ben Carson 6
Chris Christie 6
Mike Huckabee 6
Scott Walker 5
Rick Perry 4
Marco Rubio 4
Bobby Jindal 3
John Kasich 2
Rick Santorum 2
Other *
None of these 2
No opinion 6

(w/o Romney)
Jeb Bush 15
Rand Paul 11
Paul Ryan 11
Chris Christie 8
Ted Cruz 8
Ben Carson 7
Mike Huckabee 6
Marco Rubio 6
Scott Walker 6
Rick Perry 5
Bobby Jindal 3
Rick Santorum 3
John Kasich 2
Other *
None of these 2
No opinion 7

http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/12/16/National-Politics/Polling/release_377.xml?uuid=wHyc4oVVEeSrz1o9ezsguA

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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2014, 06:33:59 PM »

I was watching a Bill Maher show from 2012 and he had a GOP strategist on the show who explained that the runner-up of the previous election wins the Republican nomination in the next election (see McCain in 2008 or Romney in 2012) because donors rally around the candidate with the biggest donor base and that is usually a person that already has done some fundraising.  With an outsider such as Santorum being the runner-up, there's really no one they can rally around.  Paul Ryan who is often mentioned as the next in line has never run a national campaign and he therefore cannot be described as such.

And that's why the Republicans go back to Romney.
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2014, 06:45:10 PM »

Paul Ryan's numbers in this poll are surprisingly strong. He seems like the least likely of this bunch to actually run.
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2014, 07:16:59 PM »

I was watching a Bill Maher show from 2012 and he had a GOP strategist on the show who explained that the runner-up of the previous election wins the Republican nomination in the next election (see McCain in 2008 or Romney in 2012) because donors rally around the candidate with the biggest donor base and that is usually a person that already has done some fundraising.  With an outsider such as Santorum being the runner-up, there's really no one they can rally around.  Paul Ryan who is often mentioned as the next in line has never run a national campaign and he therefore cannot be described as such.

And that's why the Republicans go back to Romney.

That is true. On the other hand the massive rejection of Romney amongst the elites of the party has not trickled down to the similarly not quite so conservative rank and file. Ironically, the far right agrees more with the elites and establishment about Romney, but for different reasons. They also are world's apart on the direction to go in post-Mittens.

Romney represented a break from the 2000's GOP with greater emphasis on economics and competence (though his campaign was anything but obviously). Romney's base and thus a good reason for why Jeb is going to struggle (and Kasich's best path by the way) liked Romney because he was so different from W and the things that defined the 2000s GOP. Granted Jeb is not W, he is still a Bush and the effect still applies. Jeb is banking on selling a narrative of greater win potential and hoping it will make these somewhat conservative voters put winning first. Jeb's biggest and first problem has to be defining himself as his own person and not his father or W, otherwise he will lose not just the general, but also the primary.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2014, 12:04:36 PM »

It's odd how it's possible that the 2016 presidential primary will include four people who left elected office in 2006: Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee.

I doubt all will run, especially since Jeb and Romney have the same base, as do Huckabee and Santorum. Although it may show something about modern politics.
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