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« on: December 16, 2014, 09:45:24 PM »
« edited: December 19, 2014, 05:19:53 PM by ElectionsGuy »

Tough one
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2014, 09:46:19 PM »

Hawaii wins. They have only one Republican Senator.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2014, 10:21:36 PM »

Hawaii wins. They have only one Republican Senator.
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2014, 01:28:34 AM »

Hawaii wins. They have only one Republican Senator.

Democrats have only one white Senator in Alabama, and even him - from majority-black district. So - not sure.
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2014, 01:41:52 AM »

Hawaii wins. They have only one Republican Senator.

Democrats have only one white Senator in Alabama, and even him - from majority-black district. So - not sure.

Also, at least the HI GOP can at least be competitive in state/federal races. Not win, but compete with pols like Djou and Aiona.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2014, 01:51:35 AM »

Hawaii wins. They have only one Republican Senator.

Democrats have only one white Senator in Alabama, and even him - from majority-black district. So - not sure.

Also, at least the HI GOP can at least be competitive in state/federal races. Not win, but compete with pols like Djou and Aiona.

Yes. Djou almost won this year. But i am at loss to name Democrat, who got at least 40% in statewide race in Alabama this year. And the only win in federal race - in VRA-mandated heavily black district.
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2014, 02:01:37 AM »

Yes. Djou almost won this year. But i am at loss to name Democrat, who got at least 40% in statewide race in Alabama this year. And the only win in federal race - in VRA-mandated heavily black district.

I actually think, in terms of just legislative seats/strength, the TN Democrats are worse off than the AL Democrats. Even in 2008, they had the Governorship, the State Senate, and were about even in the State House. Now, they've lost all that and are down to 6 (!) of the 33 Senate seats. Also, the the TN Dems are struggling to get their preferred statewide candidates elected in the primaries.

I know TN is naturally less favorable then AL, as its less black and the blacks in TN are much more concentrated, but still.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2014, 02:54:56 AM »

Yes. Djou almost won this year. But i am at loss to name Democrat, who got at least 40% in statewide race in Alabama this year. And the only win in federal race - in VRA-mandated heavily black district.

I actually think, in terms of just legislative seats/strength, the TN Democrats are worse off than the AL Democrats. Even in 2008, they had the Governorship, the State Senate, and were about even in the State House. Now, they've lost all that and are down to 6 (!) of the 33 Senate seats. Also, the the TN Dems are struggling to get their preferred statewide candidates elected in the primaries.

I know TN is naturally less favorable then AL, as its less black and the blacks in TN are much more concentrated, but still.

I'm still disappointed that Charlie Brown lost the gubernatorial race this year.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2014, 03:21:49 AM »

Yes. Djou almost won this year. But i am at loss to name Democrat, who got at least 40% in statewide race in Alabama this year. And the only win in federal race - in VRA-mandated heavily black district.

I actually think, in terms of just legislative seats/strength, the TN Democrats are worse off than the AL Democrats. Even in 2008, they had the Governorship, the State Senate, and were about even in the State House. Now, they've lost all that and are down to 6 (!) of the 33 Senate seats. Also, the the TN Dems are struggling to get their preferred statewide candidates elected in the primaries.

I know TN is naturally less favorable then AL, as its less black and the blacks in TN are much more concentrated, but still.

May be. Florida's Democratic party is weak too. They have not only substantial number of Blacks, but many Hispanics (including non-Cubans), and a lot of Jews and other Northern transplants, for whom "liberal" is not a "dirty word" as it is for almost all whites in Alabama, Mississippi or Louisiana (it seems - it will in Arkansas soon too). And still - very modest results, especially - on state legislative level.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2014, 03:22:58 AM »

Yes. Djou almost won this year. But i am at loss to name Democrat, who got at least 40% in statewide race in Alabama this year. And the only win in federal race - in VRA-mandated heavily black district.

I actually think, in terms of just legislative seats/strength, the TN Democrats are worse off than the AL Democrats. Even in 2008, they had the Governorship, the State Senate, and were about even in the State House. Now, they've lost all that and are down to 6 (!) of the 33 Senate seats. Also, the the TN Dems are struggling to get their preferred statewide candidates elected in the primaries.

I know TN is naturally less favorable then AL, as its less black and the blacks in TN are much more concentrated, but still.

I'm still disappointed that Charlie Brown lost the gubernatorial race this year.

You mean - primary? He wouldn't win general in any case..
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2014, 04:24:07 AM »

Yes. Djou almost won this year. But i am at loss to name Democrat, who got at least 40% in statewide race in Alabama this year. And the only win in federal race - in VRA-mandated heavily black district.

I actually think, in terms of just legislative seats/strength, the TN Democrats are worse off than the AL Democrats. Even in 2008, they had the Governorship, the State Senate, and were about even in the State House. Now, they've lost all that and are down to 6 (!) of the 33 Senate seats. Also, the the TN Dems are struggling to get their preferred statewide candidates elected in the primaries.

I know TN is naturally less favorable then AL, as its less black and the blacks in TN are much more concentrated, but still.

I'm still disappointed that Charlie Brown lost the gubernatorial race this year.

You mean - primary? He wouldn't win general in any case..

Nope, he was the democratic nominee for governor in 2014.
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2014, 05:14:43 AM »
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Yes. Djou almost won this year. But i am at loss to name Democrat, who got at least 40% in statewide race in Alabama this year. And the only win in federal race - in VRA-mandated heavily black district.

I actually think, in terms of just legislative seats/strength, the TN Democrats are worse off than the AL Democrats. Even in 2008, they had the Governorship, the State Senate, and were about even in the State House. Now, they've lost all that and are down to 6 (!) of the 33 Senate seats. Also, the the TN Dems are struggling to get their preferred statewide candidates elected in the primaries.

I know TN is naturally less favorable then AL, as its less black and the blacks in TN are much more concentrated, but still.

I'm still disappointed that Charlie Brown lost the gubernatorial race this year.

You mean - primary? He wouldn't win general in any case..

Nope, he was the democratic nominee for governor in 2014.

Oh, yes, i forgot that Democrats got him as a candidate. Still he stood no chances against Haslam. I think even Bredesen would lose double-digit in such climate.
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2014, 08:32:06 AM »

Tilt Hawaii Republican Party, though both are equally disarrayed.
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2014, 09:07:31 AM »

Tennessee and South Carolina are both definitely up there.
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2014, 11:55:45 AM »

Yeah, South Carolina's Dems are definitely getting weaker since 2010.
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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2014, 11:54:35 PM »

Isn't the Alabama Democratic Party bankrupt? I'd go for that.
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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2014, 01:19:24 AM »

I'd say Alabama Democrats, since it's at least possible for a Republican to be elected Governor of Hawaii and at least make some races appear competitive.

Alabama Democrats are essentially winning no white voters, and changing that is a much bigger hurdle than convincing Hawaiians to vote Republican. Proof in the most recent elections.
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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2014, 01:37:02 AM »

Now, they've lost all that and are down to 6 (!) of the 33 Senate seats. Also, the the TN Dems are struggling to get their preferred statewide candidates elected in the primaries.

Its actually down to 5 Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2014, 02:36:40 PM »

Both, as well as the Florida DEM.
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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2014, 02:55:06 PM »

To be honest, I think the title of this thread, with these two choices should be "Which party is more decimated?".

State parties like the FL Dems and WA GOP would be in "disarray", by the meaning of the word.
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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2014, 02:58:44 PM »

To be honest, I think the title of this thread, with these two choices should be "Which party is more decimated?".

State parties like the FL Dems and WA GOP would be in "disarray", by the meaning of the word.

The thing is, Washington GOP controls the State Senate (before it was neutral control, but now I think they have it outright), and their bench isn't completely terrible. They also have a statewide elected official (SoS Kim Wyman) unlike Florida.

Now replace Washington GOP with Oregon GOP, and I think you're right.
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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2014, 03:16:24 PM »

To be honest, I think the title of this thread, with these two choices should be "Which party is more decimated?".

State parties like the FL Dems and WA GOP would be in "disarray", by the meaning of the word.

The thing is, Washington GOP controls the State Senate (before it was neutral control, but now I think they have it outright), and their bench isn't completely terrible. They also have a statewide elected official (SoS Kim Wyman) unlike Florida.

Now replace Washington GOP with Oregon GOP, and I think you're right.

I see, the FL Dems and Oregon GOP are on equal footing.
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« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2014, 03:55:23 PM »

Alabama Democratic Party.
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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2014, 07:41:24 AM »

To be honest, I think the title of this thread, with these two choices should be "Which party is more decimated?".

State parties like the FL Dems and WA GOP would be in "disarray", by the meaning of the word.

The thing is, Washington GOP controls the State Senate (before it was neutral control, but now I think they have it outright), and their bench isn't completely terrible. They also have a statewide elected official (SoS Kim Wyman) unlike Florida.

Now replace Washington GOP with Oregon GOP, and I think you're right.

I see, the FL Dems and Oregon GOP are on equal footing.

Oregon GOP forgot it's own moderate roots (Morse, McCall, Hatfield, Packwood and many other) and ignored the fact, that Oregon is generally blue state. This year it was the best state for Democrats, who increased their majorities in legislature while preserving Senate and Governor seats exactly because Republicans nominated too many conservatives (Wehby was more moderate, but had a lot of other problems)
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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2014, 09:57:29 AM »

Oregon just needs the right Republican.
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